Halle Berry, President Barack Obama … both are mixed race Americans. However, the media and most Americans see them as Black. But if memory serves me well, they are both half-white.
Most of us have chosen not to see President Obama’s marriage to Michelle as an interracial marriage. Most of us have chosen to see Halle’s relationship to Gabriel Aubrey as an interracial relationship. So, if our president isn’t in an interracial marriage, shouldn’t the same be said for Halle’s relationship since she has white blood in her too?
We Americans seem to have made our race issues more about colorism, where actual skin pigmentation is the basis for deciding what race one is. As Americans diversify through interracial marriage, it seems to be more difficult to differentiate race; so skin color is now being used to assess others, I guess. This explains why we have chosen to suddenly drop the ‘White’ in Obama and Halle and label them ‘Black’.
An interracial relationship is one where there is marriage, sexual or romantic relations between individuals of different races. Halle Berry is mixed race. If her relationship with Aubrey is interracial, don’t you think the same should be said for Obama and Michelle’s?
We can’t run from who we are. We shouldn’t blind ourselves to the fact that Obama and Halle are mixed race … half-white … half-black. Who are we to erase their Caucasian backgrounds out of this equation? So they look black. But does this make them less white?
If one of them is in a same-race relationship, then both are since they have half of both worlds. So, which is which? Interracial or same-race?
Hiya BOOTS…..sorry it’s taken me a bit to get back to you on your query….I’ve been living and loving life a little too much I suppose….tee hee.
Umm….. to be honest I don’t really know why “all” black people are too forgiving (I know I am paraphrasing here….lol). Actually, in my experience, it has been much the opposite. Besides, when I speak of “getting on with the get along”, why must it be assumed that means absolutely NO discussion of race/race relations??? My issue is why are we honestly trying to get blood from a turnip in this case. NO whites alive today owned slaves and NO blacks today ever were slaves. Now if you want to speak of the nepotism and “collars” that some have chosen to implement for themselves then that is a whole other story….and it makes a whole lot more sense to me to tackle the injustices on THAT level. I just have this automatic “shut-down” mechanism whenever I hear people (regardless of race, gender, etc.) go on and on about what “someone else” did to them YESTERDAY…and how it HAS to effect them TODAY When is it going to be time for people to be responsible for themselves and stop putting their happiness/misery on something/someone else???? That is where I am coming from…..a place of SELF-empowerment……PERIOD. I am not going to wait for someone else to “acknowledge” something that is basically seen as FACT. And at the same time I refuse to WASTE TIME on those that dwell in the past/negative void…..without true hope of “seeing the light”. This is just something I do across the board…regardless of SKIN TONE.
I hope this gives you a better and more unbiased view of how I see this….Like I said before, I TOTALLY SEE AND RESPECT your point of view on this.
But I DO wish you ask you this. Seeing the CURRENT state of the so-called “black”….(or any other SINGLE community) would you REALLY be ready, willing and able to accept such an existence that would be brought on by NATIONALISM??? Just honestly wanting to know your BROAD view of this concept….which, as we both know, can be WAAAAY over-simplified at times…..
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
P.S. OH yeah….Thanks bigeyes for UNSUCCESSFULLY attempting to answer the question boots asked OF ME…….LMAO…..yeah, yeah, yeah…..”but it was typed for ALL to see and respond to”……I know, I know…..blah blah….LOL. You and all your utopian talk…..I swear, you are going to make the REAL ones come out….LOL.
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Boots, please be aware of what you are dealing with,lol. She is disconnected from “reality” even she admits this she “automatically shuts down”LMAO. I told you…”disconnect” LOL.
Comment by boots on 1 February 2010:
big eyes …please share with me what would be your plan 4 advancing our people …4 me after yrs of thinking this whole race thing over and over…I think Iam begining to think in terms of Black Nationalism…..many of Mr queens ideas I share, the little bit of culture that we have managed to keep how will it continue if there is wide spread mixed marriages….Iam not a racist my grandfather was white!…singing spiritual that’s a good one..I bet Ich would have a lot to say about that…lol
She IMAGINED that you didn’t ASK ME a question and that some how it was “DIRECTED” at her, LOL. I rest my case….LOL.
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“follow the leader”….INDEED!!!
UMMM….since you most obviously need “guidance” I will “show” you….(“CUT AND PASTE QUEEN”…lol)
Comment by bigeyes31 on 31 January 2010:
Some blacks are always the ones to want to put things in the past while decisions that affect our lives are being made with race in mind. All the other races and cultures celebrate,incorporate and translate their past into their present. Some black people want to live in utopia though singing utopian “spirituals” like “We Are The World” (sarcasm)LOL,while everyone else is strategizing and coming up with a plan for advancement.
OOOO…so that was in response to her question “DIRECTED” at YOU?!?!?!……LOL.
This question???!!???!!!? —–”And.. Tatt… as far as(GETTING ON WITH THE GET ALONG)why r black people so willing 2 but things in the past…J”
Ok….slow down…..breathe…..deeply…..
you are just getting SLOPPY now….LOL
Peace, sis….
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This woman is CONFUSED…LOL. You are going to have to change you medications….LOL. The post that you copied and pasted,idiot…was an INDEPENDENT POINT made separately from any question that was asked…let me break down for you….I posted point as an AFTERTHOUGHT that had NOTHING TO DO with boots…LOL… you must be getting tired….and we both know tired and crazy don’t mix…LOL.
Ok…open your mouth so I can make sure you are swallowing your pills…we don’t need any more of these episodes…LOL.
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All the “BACK PEDDALING”….no YOU must be tired. And like I said, “Daffy” probably will be cutting the strings pretty soon so you will more than likely disappear after that EMBARASSMENT…..
Independent point????…From where I sit there is not a dayum thing independent about you. But where you “sit” must be plastic and spins like one of those old school toys….must be fun.
I tried to leave well enough alone here…..but OH WELL…..
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You DON’T HAVE THE CHOICE TO LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE….I am relentless….OH WELL. No that would be your vibrator…LOL. I don’t do cliques,so no I won’t be agreeing with you…get over it,:-)
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LMAO he can’t cut strings that aren’t there…wow your imagining ability has grown because now you can use it outside of Utopia…LMAO
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Here’s the deal:
I am a man first and foremost and in order for me to succeed as a man in this world, I must know what kind of world I live in.
The sad fact is that I live in a world where other people judge me based upon how I look, what I say, how I dress, who I date, my economic situation…on and on.
As a man I can either choose to let all those OPINIONS affect me and dictate how I live, or I can be my own thinking individual, with my own sense of identity, and live my life to the fullest, because that is what I can control.
What I choose to identify myself as should have no bearing on you. Believe me…yours has absolutely no bearing on my life in the slightest.
Black unity can NEVER be achieved through blaming the White man, economics, nor revolution. The tragedy of Blacks is that they act like they are genetically predisposed to being subservient, and resent any attempt by a fellow Black man to rise up.
Example, Asians can come into my neighborhood and open a beauty supply shop selling strictly BLACK products, not Asian or Caucasian, and we will flock there, even having the nerve to ask them about which products are best to use! WTF!!! And we will make them filthy rich.
Now if I choose to open a BLACK-OWNED beauty supply store in the same neighborhood, it’s the first one Blacks want to rob.
Another example, If I wanted to open a corporation where I needed investors, sadly I would have to seek White investors, not because Blacks aren’t qualified or don’t have the money…
But because we will become bitter enemies arguing over who gets to be in charge and why they feel they shouldn’t have to answer to me.
And cut the conversation short because they have to rush to their menial 9 to 5, worried because the boss (Massah) don’t like it when they are late!
The plight of Blacks begins within, on an individual basis. I have to develop my own sense of identity and learn to respect others sense of identity.
Maybe then we can learn to post blogs without feeling a need to put people in their place and get ugly personal when someone says something I don’t agree with.
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Greetings to all……..I swear by my own head..I love all u guys… tatt,bigeyes,Mr fenway2k, Queens,Ich I read your comments all the time. I love blk people,I make no excuses 4 any evildoers blk or white…..to Tatt ,regarding your post if ur able, please read my response to GLASSWING on another blog,where some of my feelings on this subject r shared . Yes I do agree….. BLK NATIONALISM in the USA would be very difficult, it’s been tried b4, and being practiced now by some, but without widespread acceptance .Just what variety, what form should it take, maybe a hybrid? I got a really good response 4 all of u….but right now I got 2 get these taxes done …need that refund.
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to bigeyes… ur correct.. land, money, wealth, the transfer of wealth, political power,and even the perception of power that some blks automatically have of whites ,which may make them (whites) seem more appealling…these things should be explained understood,digested.Let’s talk. ..but I got 2 get those taxes done now…lol
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I don’t like Black Nationalism… so called. Booker T Washington had the best idea, in my opinion. It was sort of a seperate, but equal kind of thing. He started so many agricultural and mechanical (A&M) universities so we could focus on growing our own food and running our own factories developing goods for ourselves and anyone else that would buy from us. I believe the reason black nationalism would be difficult today, as it was before, is because we can’t get the premise across without people finding and feeling hatred and bias toward other races, primarily WHITES. I know where the answer to this problem lies, but I’m not gonna start that whole discussion over again. I was just thinking about the “40 acres and the mule” thing the other day. Ofcourse, trying to nag the government for it now would be pointless, but have you priced a 40 acre lot? There are many black people that can afford it or families that can put up that kind of money, not to mention celebrities. Lots are even sold and auctioned on eBay. For one, the record industry (rap and R&B) needs to be destroyed. Blacks with microphones have the chance to speak to millions and aren’t saying anything. That’s the opportunity to educate the masses on a master plan for us to advance. Tupac talked about how scary it was to be on stage in front of 10,000 people ready and willing to do whatever he told them to do. And all these millions of kids are being told to do is to “Superman that ho”. It hurts, it really does.
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To ….Ich,yes blk nationalism would be a hard sell,we need land to have a nation.This was a big debate in the 60s with MalcoLm X,the Panthers, Carmichael and even prior,with Du Bois,Garvey and Washington in the early 1900s.Why can’t we have a type of nationalisim that suggests a love for ourselves with the absence of hate for others.Surley as a christian you could feel the longing that the Apostle Paul had for his own people the Jews in Romans chapter 10.1 . to fenway2k..blk unity can be achieved through acknowlegement of truth i.e undestanding history ,if there is blame then it should’nt be shielded…Yes unity can come through revolution but not in the sense that the word connotes,but a revolution in mindset,aspirations, in thought, with a new focus on the spiritual non material things.With a love and devotion to one’s own people, in light of the common burden of racisim in it’s subtle forms borne by all blks. to Tatt……an example of something that happened yesterday having an affect on us today,( the Homestead act of 1862 represented America’s last great land policy…..this act remained in effect until 1900 and provided 400,000 to 600,000 white families with homes and farms,most of the land went to speculators who aquired claims to rich western lands, timber, and mineral rights that led to great wealth.Blacks were unable to aquire any of this land wealth….. No one had spent more time tending land than blacks certainly not European immigrants,yet not even free blacks were allowed to participate in the famous land rush West)..BLACK LABOR WHITE WEALTH..CLAUD ANDERSON,Ed.D powernomics Corp.pg 129
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I guess what Iam trying to say to everyone albeit in a long winded way……our lives ,our outlook on life, the way we think ,perception,the way we view each other,how we react to one another,is shaped by our environment ,not entirely but in a great measure. Whites have shaped the environment of blacks in this country since the first slaves arrived in the early 1600s .Through slavery of course,Jim Crowism and all sorts of laws that resulted in social engineering.Has brought us today to a state or status of disadvantage.For sure with individual effort and determined faith /hope one may prevail,but by in large blks carry an extra burden.I dont seek to change the mind and heart of the white world only God can do that ….instead give me something concrete tangible,my spirit and soul will be repaired when my great grand parents will be restored that which was stolen.Their posterity will accept in their behalf the long overdue reparations …thank u all
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Thank you, Boots. That’s exactly what I meant and why I hurt for our people. I was busy battling some racist, voodoo priestest in another topic.
Romans 8:6 “For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.”
Yes, the Apostle Paul WAS briliant.
James brown mentioned in a song about getting some land, growing our food like “the man”, save our money like the mob, put up a fight down on the job. But people choose to only hear “I’m black and I’m proud!” and say it louder than growth and education.
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To Boots:
Not disagreeing with you in the slightest. But you are teaching theory, talking in abstract.
I am simply stating why your theory will never be realized among Blacks.
Isn’t it amazing how other nationalities can take those same theories you preach and make it work for them?
Regardless of the state of the union here, other minorities have unified and carved a niche for themselves. Middle Eastern minorities have cornered the market on convenience stores and the hotel/motel industry. Asians rule the beauty supply market, and the Hispanics are in charge in the manual labor/construction market. They came over here, made sacrifices ( 50 living in the same house/ only buying from their own) and are now successful to a certain degree. They didn’t seem to pay attention to their opposition or stereotypes and excuses, just did what they had to do.
You seem to have ignored the examples I gave…may I ask why?
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To fenway2k……….I love ur fire bro…..But it’s not fair to lump blk americans together with other so called disadvantaged groups ,what other group had their status predetermined by a national policy.Asians, Hispanics,Indians,and middle Eastern minorites have a preferred status over blks and a higher social acceptability, moreover these groups were never mistreated as blks were by government policy.100 percent of our ancestors were here before most of the ancestors of all the other groups, yet white america still has not been willing to assimulate blks.All these groups that u have listed none have carried the burden of slavery and jim crowism.”As Asians and Hispanics find places in the economy they are allowed to move upward on social and occupational ladders”(Two Nations:Black and White Separate Hostile and Unequal)Andrew Hacker historian……Blks have had no such options….These groups have also piggybacked on the blk civil rights movement with affirmative action legislation ,accomadation went to white women ,Hispanic, Asian and the handicapped ahead of blacks.Blks should not be included in the same minority category as these other groups b/c they were never( by statute) deprived by the government of their humanity and the right to enjoy the fruits of their own labor…With all respect to you my bro…you seem to imply in your last statements that blk people are not willing to sacrifice and they make excuses while paying attention to sterotypes.. I disagree….we should talk one day concerning, the ethics of hard work and the myth of hard work…When you say I am teaching theory….if that means speculation, again I disagree, history when properly understood is’nt speculation, when you say abstract, if that means not concrete …I again disagree, here’s something that’s not abstract (in 1860 blk americans owned and controlled approximately 1/2 of 1% of the nations wealth.By 1990 blks owned and controlled 1 1/2 of 1% of the nations wealth……..you think systemic racisim maybe the reason………………..to Ich…..I know you carry a real burden for blk people… all people and you and I both know who has the real truth…keep me in your prayers….thank u
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I love you too, boots……
…..I have TRUE love for ANY man/person that has some integrity and can speak from the heart….so few of us do these days. Everyone’s putting up some front or some other bullshyt.
Isn’t it just wonderful how you “brothers” can speak so peacefully amongst yourselves??? The only other thing I could ask for is that you extend a little bit of that to the “sisters”……regardless of her SKIN TONE or dating choices she possibly deserves a little bit of that love as well…
NOTICE: I said “possibly” because I know TRUE sellouts exist (IN MANY FORMS) and until they can leave the ones “they DON’T want” out of their mouths, they need a different kind of “love” (self, maybe).
Peace and Blessing
tatted2death
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….and even all this is “off-topic”(lol)…I truly appreciate your spirit, boots (and, of course, fenway and Ich) and yes, I did get a chance to read the other threads where you posted. Alot of your points make much sense and I can see where you are coming from much clearer……thanks..
Peace
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@boots, sorry I’ve been enjoying the fruits of the “who dat” party,lol.
You make some excellent points. Blacks have not had the same tax breaks for starting a business the way other minorities have. Blacks have been disenfranchised on so many levels that the playing field is nowhere equal. Other minorities can network with each other because they don’t lock anyone out but blacks. For example, the beauty supply industry the Indians network and reveal their suppliers to the orientals but will not allow blacks to know. Yes, we can work hard and achieve but frankly we have to work harder and often on our own.I think it goes back to making amends. In this country the japanese were given an apology and some amendments for being placed in internment camps, the Jews are respected and protected because of the U.S. not responding in a timely manner to the holocaust, the Native-americans still have laws that are different from the U.S. laws and are enforced by this government, they get to attend college for free without loans or grants, and then there are the casinos. Everyone has been given “SOMEHTING” to ease their transitions to success. I’m not saying blacks should always be looking for a “handout” but if you are already giving “handups” to other races of people, why not be fair?
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Isn’t wonderful how utopia makes peoples’ personality change from day to day. All this talk of “brothers can speak so peacefully amongst themselves”,lol. Oh my god and the”could you extend a little of that to the “sisters”,LOL. Cybil’s in one of her OTHER PERSONALITIES,LOL. That’s the ONLY way someone having behaved the way they have could have the audacity to even talk like that. They are someone else from day to day,LOL.
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on the bra strap again I see…..why not worry about your own “image” here???
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I speak the way I do here because I represent MYSELF and no one else. I have the right to have different opinions and address different people in the manner in which THEY respond. This doesn’t make one a “CYBIL” as you put it. But again if “following” me around this blog and putting down any and ALL of my comments makes your day, I say have at it……but it sure tells ALOT about YOU.
Maybe “Daffy”…(which I have EARNED the right to call him as such….being called MANY names by him)…has been filling your head with too much hot air these days……REALLY has you “feeling” yourself a little too much. Masking does NOT equal self-esteem…..sorry.
Have a good ONE…
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
P.S. Oh yeah, “Ms. Unassimilated”, how was the SUPERBOWL party that you had to get all “glammed up” for….LOL.
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Imagination, imagination…following YOU around the bloggs….Ha ha..what a joke. Projecting does NOT equal strength. Using….utopian psychology and “buzz” words doesn’t get you anywhere but at home being jealous that someone else had a Superbowl party to go to and date to take them,LOL. People must realize that “marking” ones skin doesn’t build ones self-esteem but only mask the pain of being “ordinary”….sorry,LOL. One must accept one’s skin NATURALLY as it is,LOL. Utopia doesn’t allow for such “excesses” after all EVERYONE IS THE SAME…LOL
P.S. I have ALWAYS “felt” myself loooong before I came to this blog….and I shall continue to do so…:-)
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I think it’s awfully sad that “sisterly” love doesn’t want another “sister” to get “glammed up”. I love being a woman who wears boots with stiletto heels and perfumes. I didn’t know that being in the “sistahood” meant you couldn’t be a woman…LOL. Sorry, I like “johnsons”…LMAO.
“BALANCED” yeah, RIGHT
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Micheli is so right,I’m Trinidadian/Irish you don’t
see me going public about it or the WHITE man maki-
ng his way to my house to interview me.Of course
I’m not rich and famous like Halle Berry or any of
the other KNOWN!! bi-racial people in the world.Who
cares who’s what and what who is!!!???,I’ll tell you who,the WHITE people care,that is when it’s beneficiary for them.We need to stop this crap,it
doesn’t matter,I see bi-racial as bi-racial,but,if
your part of the minority then bottomline your part of an ethnic group,those are the facts.
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Any black women interested in a white man…6-1, 214 lbs, but wheelchair-bound due to an accident that happened in 1991. I am divorced from my only daughter’s mother. I am not paralyzed, but I don’t walk. I can perform between the sheets, however.
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BIGEYES11, are you possibly signed on? IM me.
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Okay, my 2 cents on this subject. In America, the terms black and white are social classifications. The classifications merely say that if you have black in you you are to learn how to be a black person and if you are classified as a white person then you learn how to be like a white person. The classifications were designed to keep the two seperated in every way. The time has come for this to change. When that will happen, maybe it will maybe it won’t.
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