Halle Berry, President Barack Obama … both are mixed race Americans. However, the media and most Americans see them as Black. But if memory serves me well, they are both half-white.
Most of us have chosen not to see President Obama’s marriage to Michelle as an interracial marriage. Most of us have chosen to see Halle’s relationship to Gabriel Aubrey as an interracial relationship. So, if our president isn’t in an interracial marriage, shouldn’t the same be said for Halle’s relationship since she has white blood in her too?
We Americans seem to have made our race issues more about colorism, where actual skin pigmentation is the basis for deciding what race one is. As Americans diversify through interracial marriage, it seems to be more difficult to differentiate race; so skin color is now being used to assess others, I guess. This explains why we have chosen to suddenly drop the ‘White’ in Obama and Halle and label them ‘Black’.
An interracial relationship is one where there is marriage, sexual or romantic relations between individuals of different races. Halle Berry is mixed race. If her relationship with Aubrey is interracial, don’t you think the same should be said for Obama and Michelle’s?
We can’t run from who we are. We shouldn’t blind ourselves to the fact that Obama and Halle are mixed race … half-white … half-black. Who are we to erase their Caucasian backgrounds out of this equation? So they look black. But does this make them less white?
If one of them is in a same-race relationship, then both are since they have half of both worlds. So, which is which? Interracial or same-race?
My sentiments exactly, lol. I hate those types of comments. They have nothing to do with the topics at hand.
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im biracial myself…ive always thought it should be the person in the relationship itself to label their relationship.
why label it anyways?
and the way i see it is, both obama and halle self identify as biracial blacks..i do the same myself…
meaning we interchange between saying we are black and biracial.
none of us are self haters because none of us deny our white moms. self identity means you are identifying with who you feel you can relate to, and racially we relate to our black side due to racism. even though all 3 of us have similar personalities.
in my opinion, i feel if i was with a black guy im dating within my race…but if im dating a white guy i feel like im dating out of my race.
mostly because if i was with a white guy, id get stares and rude remarks.
remember, most mixed people are treated like black people, until the person finds out they are mixed.
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First of all, Ms. Berry herself said that she identifies with being a black woman. So there. Now Mr. President never talked about which race he identifies with, but YOU and I both know the man is Black. The End.
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Well,
I guess some americans identify their race/heritage by a number of things including upbringing, community, grandparents etc. Some may only identify with exactly what race both parents are. If your mother is black and your father is white, it makes you bi-racial but in America the elite/political caucasians came up with the “wonderful plan” (being sarcastic) to group anything that wasn’t what THEY percieved to be “pure white” into a black or other category.
It’s sad but true. Halle identifies with being a black woman but truthe is, she is black and white. Same with Barack or Sidney Poitier’s daughter, Lisa Bonet.
I don’t know what can a white person tell a multiracial or ethnic racial person about how they percieve themselves.
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Here it is in black and white ! We are called mixed when we do something good and black when we do something not so good. A mixed race person is just that a mixed race person its a crime when when we deny our mixed, people of all single looking races will ask us our mix with provocation from us ! and then make a statement that u do not look mixed. So go figure, many times to prevent a stupid comeback from the person who asked , we just say we are not mixed. To be very honest here those of us who had a very recent set of grandparents or a parents of different races really do not identify with anyone single race, some may not like that statement but those who are know its true and in many=most cases we were raised by both races and cultures and not just one. People need to stop this that all of us mixed kids were only raised by 1 race or culture false media hype. 90% of us was raised by both parents and both sides of the family most of us are military kids anyway. Believe me its much different when your actual parents are of different races than some great, great grandparent rumored back in the 1800′s
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Truth is that I’m black first. It is how I identify myself although I have a good dose of Native American and a little white. I embrace those parts of my heritage. However, the sad truth is that the ones who have power in this country have put everyone in these racial categories originally to keep themselves pure. I’m not making this up. Look at some of the things the colonials and founding fathers said about maintaining “racial purity” in America. That being said, I wish we were more like Latin America and the Islands when it comes to racial stuff. They atill have a preference for lighter skin, European features etc, but they are far less hung up on race than the USA.
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Hello!!!! Black people did not come up with the idea of the one drop rule in America the white slave owners did they also used to call black people animals and that we were 3/4th of a human so this is why Halle and Barak are called black and they are black.
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I have to agree with adventure88, Barack Obama and Halle Berry. Halle Berry while on Oprah confessed that although she was raised by a white mother she considers herself black. Halle Berry stated “she felt she was denying her mother (who is white) because her father (who is black) was abusive and left them. She felt she would betraying her mother. Her mother said it best, “Halle, when you look in the mirror what do you see.” Halle’s response is that I see a black women. Barack Obama openly talks about this fact as well in his book. I am interracial and if you saw me walking by you would never know that I was not black. I am married to a man who is russian/polish and our older son is very fair and the younger son is 2 shades lighter than myself. Would you consider me telling my older son who is fair with nappy hair and black features that he is white?! It’s unrealistic. Statistics do show that at least 95% of children who are interracial do rarely consider themselves white. Meanwhile, I can tell someone in conversation that I am mixed black and white. I think the real issue for some mixed children who look black but do not want to consider themselves black is because you want to play both sides of the field becaus you think you can white America will accept them. Halle Berry said it best at the end of the day a White American will always see a black person as being balck; it doesn’t even matter if you have white skin with black features. If you are mixed black and white in my opinion you are black. White can be mixed with many different races however, you can always tell that they are mixed. Some may agree with me, some may want to crucify me.
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To Jaimillera
80% of mixed race people do what you do and marry white so its seems to me that mixed race people feel more white than black; despite what they might say in public. Your sons will more likely go out and marry a white woman than a black woman, i doubt if they will ever consider going out with a black woman. The fact speak for themselves.
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All of these comments are so true, saw a movie recently, Called Slow Burn, got me thinking Jolene Blalock. If you get a chance check it our, this woman changes like a Camilion (the lizard)(spelling), to fit her needs.
Being a rather dark person (Greek white native American mix) I have confused a few through the years. Once when I was younger a older black man stopped to ask directions, then excused himself by saying oh I thought you was a colored boy. He was looking for a black family’s farm, I like I was white so how could I know where a black family lived. After giving him directions again he aplogized for thinking I was a colored boy. I laugh about incidents like this, again when I was working in Southern Cal. area, a small Mexican boy asked me something in Spainish, he mother stepped in, again another aplogy for thinking I was a Mexican.
With blue eyes and very a dark complexion, and staying in the sun a whole lot, in Florida most assume that I’m Cuban.
Just another thought about what is mixed or multi-race perception..
Scoff
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Hello Everyone!!!! Will we ever get over this? I have people telling me how ‘exotic’ looking I am. I usually get the questions; am I Mexican,Half Black/Asian, or Half Black/Mexican? Are you serious? This is soooo rude to ask in a way if your motive is not pure, but if your motive is pure than that can be discussed as a ‘teachable moment’. We are so taught by the illuminati controlling media, that White is good and everything else is bad! We ALL belong to GOD, but having a personal relationship with JESUS is a different thing. I do have to agree with that one write about Halle Berry; her mother told both of her sisters they are Black, even though they have a White Mother. You all should check out Halle Berry’s other two sisters! Even Alicia Keys claims Black; even though Ms. Terry Augello-Cook paid for all of her piano lessons. Ms. Cook said she never felt thrown under the bus by Alicia and she respects her choice! Not all Biracial people come out looking like Mariah Carey, some look like Jennifer Hudson! Yes, one of my co-workers’s daughters is the same shade of Jennifer Hudson and my co-worker is a dirty Blonde with Green eyes!! It goes back to the science; every White person has 30 percent Black Blood in them! So let us stop tripping!! Whether we are mixed or mixed looking, stop treating it like it is something so wonderful,special, or a privelege! It is what it is!!! Love your fellow brother and sister! GOD Bless and take care of yourselves; because you are worth it!!! WHOLE FOODS MARKET OR TRADER JOE’S!!!!!
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Miss Bana
Again: another home run, way to go, excellent it’s about the person. NOT the SKIN Color.
Thanks
Scoff
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People who have to classify someone by race are either: a%^*oles, stupid, or lazy — most often all three. If you look at person and go white, black, other it is nothing but a sad attempt to fit the other person in box and to dehumanize them to fit your petty prejudices. My niece is biracial and identifies herself as black for the very simple reason her white family wouldn’t have anything to do with her. That is something, I can understand she was raised by black people why wouldn’t she consider herself to be black.
Oh by the way, Thank God for all the beautiful women in all their infinite variety because they are what make life worth living
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Miss.Bana
Are you saying a native Ice Lander is 30% black? I’m curious about your source info.
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E-dub……I implore you to just take a long look at some of the people that come from different regions and then think about the fact that Africa is not that far from Eurasia. I think it would be silly to assume that “so-called” race mixing is a new thing. People have had boats for quite some time now….lol. But yeah I think it is a little far fetched to look at in the context of that percentage as well.
My take on it is we are really and truly all related. I have seen native people from Denmark who look very much like they could share a relative or two with people from Samoa. I have looked into the eyes of quite a few native South and east Africans and noticed that wonderful slant that is usually only attributed to those of Asian descent. And we all must admit sometimes it is difficult to tell on sight alone if someone is Native American, Mexican, Asian or a combination…(Yes, that is very much possible) As the saying goes…sometimes “the proof is in the pudding”…LOL. And at the same time….who give a ssssshhhh???….LOL.
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
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Being a father of two beautiful bi-racial children, there mother and I have always taught them they were both white and black. My oldest is in High School and he hates to be called black by others, he is quick to say ” I am not black, I am Caucasian/African American. Does he deny or dis like being black? of course not! He is just not ashamed of his race(s)
As far as whom he dates, I tell him “date whomever makes you happy” cause God Nor Love know Race..
As far as my daughter goes she ain’t leaving the house till she Fifty, LOL
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I think race is a beautiful thing and to intermingle them is even better. There is so much to be learned. I think the problem is too many people love living in the comfort zone. When we step out of that, we grow and begin to see a world of difference. I am Black and Native American, my mother was raised by a white woman and had a black father. She turned out to be a very educated beauty woman with dignity and gratitude. The creation of the human race shouldn’t be defined by race but by who we are as individuals inside these different looking bodies. Love sees no color and it is unfortunate that some are still stuck in the 1800′s. I love all nationalities and find knowledge in each. Could you imagine going to school and learning only one subject leaving all the others out. We need to intermingle to be complete and understand what being different really means. Much love to all. The world is only as great as we see it. Remember that..
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to mr Driven.. and all the others who hope 4 peace and love .Maybe the white world should start by telling the whole story of what really happened 2 black people..and not just a few well intentioned apologies on slavery etc… in this country in particular slavery was a race based system, whites did as they pleased ,murder rape mutilation you name it, all sanctioned by law and it wasn’t only in the 1800′s http://www.slaverybyanothername.com Douglas A.Blackmon Anchor Books…White men have taken black women at will since the 1600′s up into 1900s Myself I have grown tired, after living 50 yrs, of hearing how we all should learn to live together love each other bs… when whites refuse to repay what they have stolen from black people, the bible says we should love each other but it also says when you have wronged someone you are to restore that person threefold tenfold.For all the talk that has been done on this issue interracial love sex etc.I find it quite absurd that there is not much discussion on the subject of white wealth and how it came to be….Black Labor,White Wealth Claud Anderson,Ed.D(Maryland:Duncan&Duncan)1994, perhaps that white knight that all these sisters on this blog are looking for if he had not inherited that white status ,privilege, money he would’nt look so good and conversely the brother had he been given what was rightfully his i.e payment for is labor, pain sweat and blood of 3000 yrs he would’nt be deplored by his own woman.Until there is true justice …in the criminal justice, penal system economics political,with reparations we can throw all this love sh@#T out the window. Our young blk people dont have a clue, always talking about a color blind world and interracial love .I think we should rethink the whole idea of Black Nationalism
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sorry i meant 300 yrs…..of slavery /
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Marvine Gaye sang in one of his songs, Inner City Blues, “Make me wanna holla throw up both my hands”, the fact of the matter is “Who Really Cares”, “Can’t We all Just Get Along”. Would it make a difference if you needed Blood and they said well we got some of the blood from a White or Black if you Butt wanted to live it wouldn’t really make a difference would it. Be part of the Solution, lets find a cure for Hatered and wrong doings. Lets for once in this sick world try to find some medium of peace.
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@boots,
Oh my! You speak the truth. I believe in trying to get along with other races of people but it’s hard when you have a whole race that won’t really acknowledge what they are responsible for. I believe that’s FIRST step after wronging someone,is to make amends. I haven’t seen that for blacks. I am attracted to white men just like I’m attracted to black men,hispanic men, native-american men,etc. That’s because I’m a woman and human but I refuse to place white men on a pedestal,like I have seen on his very blog. I have seen some black women come on here and defend a white man married to a white woman who confesses he is NOW interested in black women(he is still married). He gets a pat on the back and branded “honest” by a black woman. I have also seen on this blog another black woman come on here and totally brag about her “white boyfriend”, her words not mine,. Yet, he hasn’t made ANY plans to marry her. Carrying on the sentiment that white men will sleep with us under the “boyfriend” umbrella but not take us home to meet mom and tell her of his proposal to us. Utopian thinking is not for us. It causes us to not accept reality and accept actions that others wouldn’t normally accept. Yes, I admit I’m on this blog to expand my dating horizons but black men are always on my list and I love them because of their strength,the physical, emotional and mental kind, and oh yeah, that natural “swagger” they seem to ooze without a word, LOL.
Peace
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big eyes ..thank u 4 your comment….I have 2 say Iam a big fan,I admire your strong christain faith I to am a believer…all you guys mr laurelton, Tatt and the rest..I read u all on the other blogs …god bless
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@boots
You are certainly welcome. Thank you for being a fan. You spoke truth, of which I am a fan. I find that most people are offended by truth and more importantly reality. I guess because they both can be quite unpleasant. Yes,I am fully persuaded to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He has blessed,taught me and given me favor. I’m glad to know that you too are a believer. I want to encourage you to stay strong in your faith because you have to be strong in this day where believing in and following Christ is considered “silly”. I’m the happiest,silliest person I know,LOL(sarcasm laced with truth). I like Mr. Queens style,lol. I enjoy this blogging/posting thing,lol and he mixes it up. I like being the “devil’s advocate” too,LOL.
Peace unto you
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Boots…..I totally respect what you have to say. (and most of what I am about to type is not in response to YOUR post…..LOL).
But I have to let it be known that I am a proponent of “GETTING ON WITH THE GET ALONG”. Respect the history but also know that not everyone is on the same page. THAT IS ALL…..NO UTOPIAN THINKING HERE….Just TRYING (not being perfect) to implement OBJECTIVE BALANCE. Truth and reality don’t frighten or repel me; it is the future of that are “stuck” that SADDENS me. I have always respected others choices. it is just ridiculous that people just can’t let go of the past. It is simple; if you don’t grow you WILL parrish….not a threat, just a time-proven fact. I have never been one for standing around singing “spirituals” in hopes of peace. I am more about attacking this thing on an individual basis. I WILL speak out to the individual I hear on the street corner spouting racist crap….be it black, white or whatever. (neva scurred….lol) Just because I don’t practice “internet thugggery” with everyone that expresses themselves doesn’t mean I am “patting them on the back”. Sometimes it’s best to LET DOGS LIE…..PERIOD. (dogs can be honest creatures….LOL). But I guess that can be understood since others like admiring “trolls” here.
People really need to stop following the blinded (by cynicism and self-hated) around every curve. Everything doesn’t need to be twisted to be understood….sometimes things are PLAIN AND SIMPLE….and ALOT of times it is real easy to MAKE them that way (if the effort is taken).
Peace and Blessings
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Boots(this is not directed at you but I’m dealing with a passive aggressive person, so I have to use the language they speak, although directness is my style. Please bear with me.)
This is the problem here. Racism and prejudice are NOT in the past. It’s still alive and well. All you have to do is make a certain group angry and they will let you know. Why do you think the Rush Limbaugh’s, Neal Boortz, and Glen Becks can incite so many people with what they say.It isn’t because they are easily influenced but because he speaks to what they ALREADY feel. That’s just one example of the microcosm that exist. This doesn’t run in a small group of people either.
That’s enough of that…because I don’t explain my self to you,just not important enough.
See, SOME black people want to always say to you “let go of the past”. They turn all as you said boots,”peace and love on you”. Utopian thinking over simplifies things, it makes it easier to gloss over and imagine things like, thinking a white man couldn’t be racist or racism is over because he likes black women(even though he’s married to a white woman or he still has you on “girlfriend” status after years of dating,LOL). I’m the LAST one to live in the past and I’m perfectly happy with how I TACKLE life,my life in particular. As I said before I simply enjoy this blogging/posting and will continue to do so. “Cynism and self-hatred”, LOL, “Utopian language”, moving on…doesn’t apply to me,:-).
Boots(rhetorical question but you CAN answer if you want,lol), are we being judged on our choices of who we like as a blogger(Mr. L Queens)???? Some may not like his posts but he makes valid points and I like them. Isn’t that MY choice?? See some people want to make you think that they are objective…as long as you like who and what THEY like. Sounds kinda like fascism to me( boots,I’m being sarcastic)lol. Who says you are balanced?? That’s your opinion. Balance is relative, thank you. Boots, it has implied that as believers we,”stand around singing spirituals in the hopes of peace”. Boots, I see many belivers helping our communities,offering assistance and encouragement. Drug and youth ministries, feeding the homeless. YOU and I KNOW what we do as christians.People like Beautybeyondwords going into the prisons to spead the gospel to the “written off”. Can’t STAND singing when you are MOVING, helping.
Never request that people do what YOU yourself won’t do. Admonishing people to let go of the past and “LET DOGS DIE…PERIOD” but every other post you are explaining yourself over and over. Utopian thinking is a REAL concept and a REAL term and it isn’t an individual thing so how do you know I’m even addressing an individual in particular??? Looks to me, everytime I express myself, “internet thuggery” is used so, I have to differ with the opinion on that.
Boots,
Thank you for bearing with me on this. Stay up!
Peace, I owe my brother a home-cooked pancake breakfast with eggs.LOL.
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To whom it may concern:
Matthew 7:6 “Give not that which is Holy unto dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine , lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”
And like I mentioned in my response to E-dub in that other topic about people with a particular set of beliefs are not respected as merely having an opinion, they are always “looked down upon” or thought to be crazy or missing something. You can’t subliminally look down on someone or their beliefs and not expect them to defend themselves or their beliefs and opinions especially if you’re not trying to help them, which in this case (and in my personal opinion), the person is in no need of assistance but is more coherent and cognizant, not to mention respectful, of the issues regarding themselves as well as others around them than a person of their “ilk” is ever given credit for. Ever hear of stereotyping? And as the saying goes, “Those who forget the past are doomed to relive it.” I just threw that one in for free.
Many issues and/or topics of discussion that come up in our lives, as seperate and as exclusive as we think they are (Situational Ethics), they are actually connected, interlaced, related, or spill over much like the comments from one thread have into another.
I said all of that to say this:
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LADIES, STOP IT!!!
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Yes, Ichibod you are correct. I have moved on literally to another blog commenting and complimenting on someone(boots’s) else’s post. I’m being followed,lol.
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Not to change the subject but I made too many crabcakes, could I interest anyone in some of my mouth watering crabcakes, homemade potato salad and fresh string beans. Desert is a lemon cream cheese pound cake..
Blessed are the peacemakers!
Love to all and here’s to not seeing Peyton Manning in the Super Bowl..
godiva
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Godiva’s got vittles! Yummy :p
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Now someone is claiming they are being “followed”….well, when I notice someone “running” to another thread to discuss issues that involved me in another I start to wonder certain things as well…..won’t express my theories here in an attempt to “rise” above the nonsense. If you can’t take someone “responding” to whatever you type here you NEED to stay off the net……PERIOD. Queens “followed” me and I made fun of it as well…glad to see some still maintain a sense of humor.
Well, here we go, THE TWISTING continues…..I never WAS “balanced”…..I stated what I was trying to implement….(those that read and comprehended understood….so be it). And the truth of the matter is I certainly am NOT important enough to “explain” yourself to (yet you did anyway for another 2 paragraghs….LOL) yet I think you recognize the importance of “setting the record straight” in terms of how your posts are understood.
I respect and understand that coompletely. Now granted people are still going to walk away with there own intrepretations but hey at least you tried.
You know I also have a couple more SUGGESTIONS in “HOW TO BLOG WHEN THE SUBJECT JUST WON’T STAY THE COURSE”
1)It’s a tad bit contradictory to say note that you are being followed and the “speak” to another blogger (calling for “help”…LOL) that has NEVER commented in this thread.
2)”Internet Thuggery” is USUALLY defined by someone calling names, making threats, etc. (typical kindergarten behavior). Now if you feel “INTIMIDATED” by someone’s response that’s another story. Whatever make the blogging “experience” more enjoyable for YOU, I suppose.
3)If someone is not speaking to someone DIRECTLY and a subject matter comes up that is somewhat “UNIVERSAL” then you come off as a hypocrite saying a particular person shouldn’t feel the need to respond….(if someone took it personal oh well..lol…..It’s their PERSONAL right to respond accordingly).
Many times I have posted in here on a certain subject….for example, my comment on “bible thumpers” in the other thread. I was basically posing a hypothetical to ALL people reading but certain people (for whatever PERSONAL reasons) felt the need to reply….UNDERSTANDABLE, right. This is the nature of Blogging. IF you are bold enough to make a “hobby” out of this (I DEFINITELY have and will probably need an intervention to get out of this….LOL), then you need to accept certain “realities”. —HERE ARE YOUR RIGHTS: Your posts can and WILL be misinterpreted (get over that); you have the right to scroll or be droll; you have the right to receive “love” from other bloggers but beware of the “haters”, “bashers” etc.; But if you are incapable of receiving love that is a whole other can of blog misdirection and you might want to find a new “hobby”…(LMAO).
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
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Dear Ich….
…I truly appreciate (as always) your response here….
but know this much about how I truly feel on this….I am NOT for “forgetting” (LESSONS are meant to be LEARNED). I only offer suggestions as to why results may not from simply “remembering”/dwelling in the negative. I simply wish people could truly understand the nature of “forgiveness”. My understanding is that TRUE christians are suppose to master this art and when I here people making certain claims and ….oh well…I am truly done with this aspect of it. It’s just sad that neither approach works with some people (tough love or the “tree-hugging” kind…LOL).
Like I have always said (AND UPHELD), I respect others and their right to disagree with me or whatever. But I REFUSE to allow self-assured and supposedly intelligent people slide with constantly “twisting”(not simply misintrepreting) what I am about….PERIOD. IF that gets translated into someone else is “dragging” me around these blogs…oh well. Funny, thing is I don’t “feel” like anyone’s dragging me. If anything they are riding (at least at times) MY coattails…and it’s cool. I am not here “promoting” anything so it really doesn’t matter all that much to me.
And contrary to what some may believe of me I am NOT above learning lessons here. I am gradually learning to NOT be so miffed at someone “labeling” me, especially when they obviously have limited understanding of the label in the first place…(passive aggressive….PFFT and LOL). or even if they use a label like their “trademark” or something…..LOL. I actually take it as flattery when someone “patterns” their posts after mine in a “attempt” to belitte or insult….amusing, indeed.
The reason I type as much as I do (to “explain” myself) is because I know for a fact that there are others that deeply share my sentiments but blogging just isn’t their “style”…..I respect that. I have NEVER had an issue with someone wanting to be a little more understood…that is human nature…so NO ONE should be censored (Queens, included……lol…..just stick to the topic, dayummit…LOL)
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
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Hiya Godiva……glad you know you are still around..
nice misdirection there…..LOL.
Peace to you, sis
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Ahh, so the REAL reason for all these LONG EXPLANTIONS come out. Oh so this is as I suspected, you WANT me to RUN and you WANT me to be intimidated….GUESS WHAT…WON’T BE HAPPENING, LOL.Utopian thinking and imagining things go hand in hand, thanks for confirming that. Even after addressing the person by name(boots)to let every SANE person know who I was “so called” explaining to,(to the sane,its called posting a positive agreement to another blogger) you STILL think my posts are about you. For the record, you followed me and everyone knows it,lol. You “read between the lines” to some how end up imagining things once again. Running….from YOU????LMAO.That’s what you wanted to happen so you made it up in your mind.Get some help for that. No, I don’t place as much IMPORTANCE on “setting the record straight on how “my” post are understood”as much as YOU seem to ,given the length of your explanations to ME. Thank you, I appreciate all you put into it…LOL. Granted,people are going to walk away seeing the “truth” of who is following who from blog to blog. Speaking of “HOW TO BLOG WHEN SUBJECT JUST WON’T STAY THE COURSE”, seems like I’M your topic instead of the one posted at the top of the thread. Again, you need to go in the same direction that you are giving others, but I know you can’t because you just can’t let go.Despise rejection much??,LMAO. You are seriously delusional if you think I need to call for help. You have ALREADY been dealt with…but good,lol. I moved on to a post in a different blog to someone who ACTUALLY DID POST(remember boots?)You obviously couldn’t handle it. Speaking of getting “love” on this board, I have BEEN getting that since I started on this forum from white men, black men, some black women who all share MY sentiments…lol,so ummh (get over that,lol).No matter how many people you imagine sharing your “sentiments”, you still can’t handle the ONE more than yours who share mine. You responded because you are so used to using innuendo on others that you have become,shall I say…hypersensitive to your own tactics. That’s why you responded, lol. You play the game but not well enough. The BIGGEST HYPROCRISY IS….admonishing people to move on and talk about “forgiveness” when YOU HAVEN’T done it yourself. Like L. Queens said “bigeyes haven’t done anything to you”. Brilliant man. He has long been reading “between the lines” and calling them like he sees them,lol. Now, the bitter one wants me to move on from the blog and off the net,LMAO, what’s wrong, am I invading the space of one who thinks she is the queen of this blog that she can tell anyone that they need to get off the blog?? This is my answer to ALL imaginary rulers/queens….OFF WITH HER HEAD…LMAO. I’ll be here until I’m ready to leave and I can go at this forever.
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Hello godiva! I hope you are well. Save some crabcakes for me,lol. I spar better on a full stomach,lol!
Peace
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HERE ARE YOUR RIGHTS: Your posts can and WILL be misinterpreted (get over that); Truly hillarious. Trying SOUND LOGICAL about being misinterpreted, coming from someone who constanly whined about being misinterpreted and then themselves misinterpreted others, is like a pig wearing lipstick.LOL I knew something sounded “off” about THAT statement,LOL. The bitterness may not allow some to “feel” like they are being dragged around these blogs but you don’t “feel” the force of gravity but it’s there,lol. Utopian thinking certainly allows some to be selective in what parts of reality they will accept,LOL. If you can’t handle being “LABELED” you NEED to stay off the net….PERIOD. If you can’t handle rejection, I suggest you find a new”hobby”,LMAO.LOL.
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RESPECTFULLY TO ALL READERS OF THIS TOPIC:
PLEASE SCROLL IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN THE ABOVE (2-4) BECAUSE I AM ABOUT TO HANDLE SOME OBVIOUSLY UNFINISHED BUSINESS……THANK YOU.
As I have suspected for sometime now, Bigeyes has fallen for the “game” that Queens was running a LONG time ago. REALLY, really sad. I had never said one harsh word to this woman and nor had I even expressed that she (or anyone else for that matter) leave the blog for good. Again, really, really sad that this beautiful black woman has allowed her mind to be twisted by some dude that gets a sick pleasure from otherS’ discomfort. I am just glad that I am stronger than that and still have much love for bigeyes (always have….I just steered clear of responding to her here because, like I said before, I detected this mess VERY EARLY ON and saw how Queens was twisting things and she was NOT speaking against it…..oh well). I knew the day would come where we would have a debate (over RELIGION….big surprise there…LOL) and it would turn ugly simply because I was not going to allow my genuine respect for her to make me back down (not my style with ANYONE) and then (as ALL dark things do) it comes to LIGHT that there are some deep seated reasons for the venom in the posts as of late…..WOW.
Man, sis, how could you let someone else tell you what is going on with someone else neither of you know personally??? I mean, I could use your tactic and basically “parrot” everything you are saying but what would be the point in that. I am addressing YOU this time because YOU have finally let slip what YOU have been thinking ALL THIS TIME. I thought this might have been the case but I really did hope that you were not following and BELIEVING the words of others here but as you “parrot” the “DUCK” I see that there probably is nothing left to say to you accept I truly do wish you PEACE….not just typing the words but meaning it from the heart. I hope you continue to receive love in whatever form you need it…I would never deny anyone that. And I have NEVER claimed to be perfect but it seems that at the end of the day that means NO ONE should give ANY advice to anyone then….because NO ONE has ALL the answers, right??….again, WOW.
I have never claimed to be “queen” here (oh the irony….LOL). Yes, this has been an internet “home” for me for some time but I am not above sharing…LOL. If I have gotten used to Queens being around why would I have issue with another woman of color finding home here as well??….THAT would be lunacy. I am not here to “compete” with anyone…least of all another “sister”. Sorry to disappoint those that thought that was the case…..(not really….lol).
Sorry for being sooooo far off topic that GPS couldn’t find me, but I had to address that because when something “moves” me I gotta let it out……IT’S the healthy thing to do…..PERIOD.
Hope everyone has a joyous weekend…
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
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And generally speaking, “venom” and hatred usually DO have a limit……. REAL LOVE (not the romantic kind) does not…….EVER. So I cannot AND WILL NOT go at “this” forever (“this” being the mean-spiritedness and non-existent “competition”)….I don’t have that much hatred in me for ANYONE. Hey, I even give Queens “love” from time to time….LOL.
I have spoken my piece on this…..if the CYNICS wants to take it as “game” or whatever that is their right. I guess I shall start to embrace being called the U-word…LOL…..nah…..but I AM OVER IT…..
Peace and Blessings TO ALL
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TO ALL READERS,WITH ALL DUE RESPECT PLEASE SCROLL BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY OFF TOPIC BUT HAS TO BE “DEALT” WITH.
Tatted to death implies that I have fallen for “game”,lol. This implies some that there is some trickery involved. I’m FULLY capable of discerning and chosing to agree or disagree with ANY blogger on here. If there is a point made by Mr. L. Queens that produces some evidence,although circumstantial,that gives me a logical reason to agree with that point and say he has the beginnings of a case,that is MY choice and a well-informed one at that.This does not call for or involve ANY need to explain how much “stronger” you are than anyone else,it’s irrelevant unless there is some other “motive(s)”,lol.
The discussion did NOT have to turn into debate over RELIGION due to the original question the blogger asked was not about RELIGION in the first place. I suspected this was a “wave” used to ride in on in order to bring to the surface some “DARK and DEEP-SEEDED” thoughts, AS DARK THINGS OFTEN DO(come to the surface). Wow,sis how can you call someone “sick” for NOT agreeing with you when you don’t know him personally??Again wow, I thought you considered yourself more objective than that…oh well. No, you couldn’t use A tactict such as “parroting” against me due to the fact that the illogical holes that are present in what you say are simply not as gaping in my points. “Parroting” is simply repetiveness and contains no art for taking something that is completely illogical and unrealistic and pointing out those vulnerabilities and then making a very consistent and logical point as I have done. So, as the above clarification points out,you have over-simplified once again.
comment by tattedtodeath on January 25,2010 in the third paragraph and point number one:
“1)It’s a tad bit contradictory to say note that you are being followed and the “speak” to another blogger (calling for “help”…LOL) that has NEVER commented in this thread.”
Comment made by tattedtodeath on January 25,2010 first paragraph:
“Now someone is claiming they are being “followed”….well, when I notice someone “running” to another thread to discuss issues that involved me in another I start to wonder certain things as well…..won’t express my theories here in an attempt to “rise” above the nonsense. If you can’t take someone “responding” to whatever you type here you NEED to stay off the net……PERIOD. Queens “followed” me and I made fun of it as well…glad to see some still maintain a sense of humor.”
For the record, anyone reading my original post that you are referring to, would agree that the post was not “involving you”,but no matter.
I sensed some attempt to “gloss over” some things, so I get ultra “specific” in reponse to this when I notice it so I had to copy and paste(not MY usual style but necessary in this instance). I think it’s sufficient to say that you were VERY clear about what your intentions,motives or what have you, were. To imply that I’m “running” and “calling for help” you also went on to use the word INTIMIDATED, now this says that that YOU “let slip” more than I ever did,lol. No matter, my respect for MYSELF and love for debate would not allow me to back away from inconsistencies in a response such as yours.On this note, this is, in it’s basic form, debating. Debating involves some basic “back and forth” and a level of competition and passion, so how could my saying that “I could go at this forever” be interpreted as “mean-spiritedness” and “hatred for anyone”??? This is a form of debate where as in ANY other debate, relentlessness is appreciated, necessary and even desired. It’s the ONE place where it’s healthy. That was a rhetorical question because I believe I already know that this is only a tactic to “paint a picture” of the opponent,so since I see it a mile away it has no affect on me.
Btw I thought the GPS comment was witty,lol.
Peace but the debate continues.
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There really is NO DEBATE going on here….that much is obvious. What’s the issue???…..my “character”???…..pfft. I am not in here “running for office” nor do I have any promotional agenda to work. So everything in the above post to that effect is utter nonsense . The topic at hand (here and in other threads) is of racial subject matter. Constantly using words and twisting phrases that a person uses (even after they have thoroughly explained them) is NOT an effective “debate” tactic. Come on now, sis…..I offered the olive branch simply because I knew YOU saw this as some sort of “back and forth”/”battle” that I am just not trying to take part in any more. We don’t see eye to eye on most things here but that is not a big deal. I don’t see you being disrespectful so I would rather focus on the positive commonalities. Yet everytime I make an attempt I am called something I am not…..don’t worry I am over that and not “whining”. But when terms like “relentlessness” are used to describe this fiasco I have to really set back and think. That sounds an awful like the flip-side of “dragging” something (or someone) around the blog.
I AM DONE unless someone has something (on topic) to discuss
and NOT finger-pointing and accusations (which started this whole mess….remember this, bigeyes???? —– “I have seen some black women come on here and defend a white man married to a white woman who confesses he is NOW interested in black women(he is still married). He gets a pat on the back and branded “honest” by a black woman.”
No names were used….but those that follow the blog (in VARIOUS threads) knew what you were trying to imply and WHO you were referencing. Was that really necessary to get YOUR point across IN THIS THREAD….again…COME ON, NOW, sis. You basically just regurgitated everything Queens said in the other thread about the situation. I KNOW you are better than that. And you know as well as I do that it IS “sick” to get pleasure from others’ pain (Queens has admitted to this already….pfft)…at the very least it is some sort of deviant behavior that is not consensual (= sick…..lol). I don’t need you or anyone else here to agree with me…..that much has already been proven. Nor do I have to align myself with anyone here to feel “empowered”….LOL. Although, as I have mentioned, I enjoy the “community” here…..PERIOD.
Again, I offer the olive branch because there can be no “victor” in this so-called “form of debate” (Even Queens recognized this with me a LONG time ago….and can only resort to name-calling with me now…which I now see is HIS form of the olive branch….LOL). I believe you are so blinded right now that you didn’t even see that I offered this a long time ago…..awhile back I basically “agreed to disagree”. OH WELL. Hope all remains well with you and yours and that you have continued success in all that you do……sincerely (never saw you as an “opponent”…sorry)
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
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I have to disagree with you on the “debate tactic. I voice my disagreement and point out inconsistencies in the points you make plain and simple.Much like any other debate, you KEEP coming on here and EXPLAINING your side. “NOT A DEBATE”,lol,yes sure. Who cares about your character? No one knows you but you,but what you post on this board is up for debate whether “objectiveness” will allow you to accept that or not…not my concern.
Why offer an olive branch?? It is irrelevant here both the offering of it and the accepting.You said yourself that you don’t see me being disrespectful,exactly,I only disagree with what you say,so what need is there for a “peace” offering?? Once again I don’t twist, I just point out holes in your logic,easy enough. I don’t need to regurgitate anything I saw it myself as did many others, thank you. Done with that,lol. I haven’t called you ANYTHING NOT ONCE, so I don’t know what you are talking about.
See, utopian language doesn’t allow for words like relentlessness.President Obama shows a heightened relentlessness in his approach on healthcare or I am relentless in my pursuit of happiness. Only something inside YOU would make that word a bad one. You constanltly keep talking about what the TOPICS are but yet you have not posted on the topic yet,lol. You also said you were “done” several posts ago but again,more inconsistencies,lol. So, I have to say I’m “dragging” you as well,lol.
Comment made by tatted2death
“No names were used….but those that follow the blog (in VARIOUS threads) knew what you were trying to imply and WHO you were referencing. Was that really necessary to get YOUR point across IN THIS THREAD….again…COME ON, NOW, sis. You basically just regurgitated everything Queens said in the other thread about the situation.”
If you wanted to know who I was referring to,all you had to do was ask,lol. How do you know I was referring to YOU unless,YOU are responsible?? Innuendo and subtlety are not so fun are they? I firmly believe in using the “language” that a person speaks. If the shoe fits, tie it up tight. Who is in pain?? You have a whole other problem if you are taking what Mr. L. Queens says personally.Don’t worry, I don’t agree with you. I haven’t “aligned” myself with anyone,lol. See what I mean? You evidently “pick” sides on here;I don’t pick sides. I either agree or disagree, my choice. Where is all this “empowered” talk coming from??? That’s what YOU evidently need,it is called projection,lol.
I hope all is well with you and I also agreed a LONG, LONG time ago and MANY MANY posts ago but everytime I disagree with you seem to have a problem with it….OH WELL, this happens in the real world sometimes.I’m glad you never saw me as an opponent. Honeslty, this is fun and not personal for me.
Peace
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To all… big eyes,tatted,ich,Mr queens I really got a lot of love 4 all u guys and that’s truth.Blk people r so diverse, they had 2 be in order 2 survive, I dont consider myself a troll,I’ve been reading this blog 4 over a yr and similar blogs here and on topix 4 several yrs…But 2 your question( big eyes).. about your choice of who u like on this blog, that’s your business. I like Queens a lot however I do think he should direct his criticisim toward B/M W/F relationships equally. And.. Tatt… as far as(GETTING ON WITH THE GET ALONG)why r black people so willing 2 but things in the past…J
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what’s up boots
I have a lot of love for the blogging style of Ichibod(don’t let that cute face fool you,he can set it off in here too,lol),Queens, godiva and even tatted2death and many many more that I have seen on here, they come and go. I simply see this as blogging. I don’t like name-calling though.Everyone in here I hope, are adults and should easily be able to defend themselves or agree or disagree with someone’s posts.I think that’s REAL objectivety.Right, if you like queens and I like queens, and ichibod that’s our choice and shouldn’t be judged as falling for game or less “strong” or considered a internet “troll”.
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sorry people hit the wrong key…..Jewish people never forget the PASSOVER, PURIM FEAST, HOLOCAUST etc. The Catholic Church.the Moslem Religion(Arabs)both Protestant and Baptist Religions Western Europe,Spain Portugaland on and on.Blacks cannot yet afford to but slavery behind them……black enslavement must be a constant reminder of the ramifications of a lack of collective unity strenght and self determination( pg 66
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wow what a dunce(wrong key again)pg 66 BLACK LABOR WHITE WEALTH,CLAUD ANDERSON Ed.D…. Thanks guys
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We r just blk people talking about the issues that touch our lives………I did’nt quite finish my point above ….all the aforementioned..the Moslem Arabs Catholic Church..etc had a hand in the enslavement of blk people..They all should be held accountable too.
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Some blacks are always the ones to want to put things in the past while decisions that affect our lives are being made with race in mind. All the other races and cultures celebrate,incorporate and translate their past into their present. Some black people want to live in utopia though singing utopian “spirituals” like “We Are The World” (sarcasm)LOL,while everyone else is strategizing and coming up with a plan for advancement.
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As a black man,i couldn’t agree with you more.Yes, everyone involved in the enslavement of black people should and will be held accountable, including the “Black Africans” who were apart of the systematic structure. No one ever talks of this but the facts are there, Africans, who just happened to be the same color as many of us had heavy involvement in the process.
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big eyes …please share with me what would be your plan 4 advancing our people …4 me after yrs of thinking this whole race thing over and over…I think Iam begining to think in terms of Black Nationalism…..many of Mr queens ideas I share, the little bit of culture that we have managed to keep how will it continue if there is wide spread mixed marriages….Iam not a racist my grandfather was white!…singing spiritual that’s a good one..I bet Ich would have a lot to say about that…lol
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boots
In my opinion I think it starts with getting our economics right. I’m not a total fan of capitalism but we live in a capitalistic nation. It all began with the revocation of the forty acres and a mule that was supposed to be given to freed slaves. See that was supposed to be our economic start. Those things that produced some economical strength like land which appreciates, the potential crops that would have turned a profit. That was the beginning of our ability to participate in the power structure of this country.
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