Halle Berry, President Barack Obama … both are mixed race Americans. However, the media and most Americans see them as Black. But if memory serves me well, they are both half-white.
Most of us have chosen not to see President Obama’s marriage to Michelle as an interracial marriage. Most of us have chosen to see Halle’s relationship to Gabriel Aubrey as an interracial relationship. So, if our president isn’t in an interracial marriage, shouldn’t the same be said for Halle’s relationship since she has white blood in her too?
We Americans seem to have made our race issues more about colorism, where actual skin pigmentation is the basis for deciding what race one is. As Americans diversify through interracial marriage, it seems to be more difficult to differentiate race; so skin color is now being used to assess others, I guess. This explains why we have chosen to suddenly drop the ‘White’ in Obama and Halle and label them ‘Black’.
An interracial relationship is one where there is marriage, sexual or romantic relations between individuals of different races. Halle Berry is mixed race. If her relationship with Aubrey is interracial, don’t you think the same should be said for Obama and Michelle’s?
We can’t run from who we are. We shouldn’t blind ourselves to the fact that Obama and Halle are mixed race … half-white … half-black. Who are we to erase their Caucasian backgrounds out of this equation? So they look black. But does this make them less white?
If one of them is in a same-race relationship, then both are since they have half of both worlds. So, which is which? Interracial or same-race?
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Comment by adventure88 on 27 January 2009:
The trouble is, there is no such thing as “race” in scientific terms. It is a judgment of how people look. That is why when studies are done on things like whether one race is more intelligent than the other, the study is already worthless because race cannot be scientifically defined (e.g. the book The Bell Curve). DNA is scientific, genealogy is scientific, as is ethnicity. We use race to describe how people look. I believe each individual has the power to define him or herself however he or she wants to, at any time and in any situation - regardless of how others may perceive him or her.
Comment by Angelgoddess on 27 January 2009:
Well I am half white and half black and I call myself “Mulatto” even thou I look spanish most people think I am spanish. I don’t feel like just a black person because some of my characteristics are of a white girl and some are of a black girl, I can like Rock music one day and Hip-hop music the next.
And it is hard to fit in sometimes because, black people feel I’m not black enough and white people feel I’m not white enough the same problem Obama deals with from the nay sayers, truth be told he was raised by his pre-dominantely white family so can he not give them credit for taking care of him? I mean it’s always so rediculous I think really. I’m proud of being both races and I can never say I’m just Black, because I’m not I’m also white…Love it or leave it alone it is what it is..
Comment by LaCacique on 28 January 2009:
I find that whenever a mixed raced American are doing somthing positive, the media wants to focus on the fact that they are of mixed race, but the moment someone of mixed race does something negative (i.e. breaks the law) the headlines read “Black Man commits crime!” It even happened when Halle Berry had her car accident. The media focused her race as being black, not mixed race. I find that white America still can’t accept black americans doing something positive so they have to change black to mixed race to feel better. Reminds me of the breakfast scene at Mooby’s in the movie Dogma.
Comment by gethere1970 on 28 January 2009:
We as Black Americans have to acknowledge all parts of our racial makeup. I myself am Black, Indian, White and Asian. So wouldn’t that make me MULTIRACIAL too? We recognize President Obama and Halle Berry as Black because of history. When slave masters “mated” with their slaves, do you think that they brought the products of those unions up to the big house and presented them to their wives and family? They were not half-Black and half-White. They were Black. Throughout history, anyone having skin pigmentation darker than a paper bag was considered undesirable, even amongst other Blacks. Even today in Africa, some nations are divided by skin color. I was told by my daughter’s father that I would be treated like a queen in Ghana because I am considered lightskin by their standards and they equate skin color to wealth. For most of Halle’s and Barack’s life when people looked at them they saw a Black woman and a Black man? Would whites be in such a hurry to want to claim them as part of their race if they weren’t how they are? I think not. I however, love anyone with dark skin and white skin and red skin and yellow skin and brown skin and claim them all. But I identify as a Black woman and am proud to be that. The person who wrote this blog is clearly ignorant to our history to have asked this question. Do me a favor please. Pick up a book, better yet just watch the movie Roots and come back and ask that questions again.
Comment by mixedgrl80 on 28 January 2009:
Well as my SN states, I identify with being mixed. I think it goes to how I was raised, and where I was raised, so saying that I will respectfully disagree with the statement that people of mixed race are just black. I was raised in a culture where our ancestry is not just your mother and father, but all of your relations- and they are important. Very Important. In my opinion, saying I am only black is denying my mother and her family- not to mention the Scottish and Native tribes of my fathers lineage. I will refuse, until my dying day to only acknowledge one ethnic backround in this manner. I know that I look like my father’s family in South Carolina, and on my reservation there is no question I am Dakota Sioux… Race and ethnicity are secondary to ancestors and culture in my household. Your roots are made up of ALL peoples who had a place in their making, not just one. I love and am proud of all my relations, but I will not turn my back on the majority of them to embrace any outdated practices such as the One drop rule. Yes I am Black, but I am also German, Sioux, Choctaw, and Celtic. All are beautiful, and all are a part of who I am, genetically, and culturally.
Comment by Roderic1 on 28 January 2009:
I find it unfortunate that still in this day and age we are still having to have this type of discussion. To tell the truth should it really matter about a person’s ethnic background? I mean its not like any of us get any extra points for being one or the other except in our own minds. I have been raised as a black man even though my great great grandfather was white. Does that make me any less black? In this country isn’t it a a fact that most of “Black” America is of mixed heritage? We have had to claim anyone who looks like us and we have. You are who you claim to be and that’s fine with me. It amazed me that more people, black and white, celebrated the fact that we have our first “black” president than the fact that we elected an agent of change. We get caught up in the wrong things. Why don’t we just accept everyone for who they are and why don’t we start that right here, right now!
Comment by brandy624 on 29 January 2009:
1 drop of black blood and u r Beautiful, be proud, our bloodlines are strong. u can put 1 drop of anyone elses blood in someone and never know it. We are blessed to be black. I love my color, my strength, faith and passion for life.
Comment by mixedgrl80 on 29 January 2009:
Brandy624, I’m sorry but beauty isn’t in an ethnicity. And 1 drop of any other blood is just as strong genetically. It’s down to individual genetics. I can think of a handful of other ethnicities that “show” strongly in others. Strength, faith, and passion are amazing to have in your life, but people who aren’t black don’t lack these traits. Being proud of who you are and where you’ve come from is great, as long as you realize you are not alone in your love for whichever ethnicity or culture you hail from. It is just as great to be proud to be Sioux, or Scottish, as it is to be proud of your Blackness. They are all beautiful… and as humans, we are all one.
Comment by SugaD305 on 30 January 2009:
Look here’s the truth. I don’t know one black person that is all black. I don’t know to many people that can say they do. I see my mom and grand parents and I know that I’m not all black. But the way I was brought up by my family, school’s and the United States of America makes me black. Black not as a color or a race but black as in a class of person. Don’t get mad because the person you put in that same class is now the President of the US. Oh and he also calls himself a black man who has a black wife and kids who are about as white as I am and will be classed black. Angel Goddess get help. Mulatto is not a race is a tone. Let me see you check that off on your job app. Its cool to say you love your white parent, just remember that in america your White, Black, Hispanic non Black and Asian. And is you add black to that it put you in the black check box. If you go to jail you will be classed black if you have a drop of black in you. Thank about that and ask yourself why????? And then look at your past because it will helf build your future.
Comment by mixedgrl80 on 30 January 2009:
Most scholars will agree that Mulatto is derived from the Spanish and Portuguese Mulado, meaning Mule. You can now, in most applications, and in the census, indicate that you come from a multi-ethnic background. What’s important is how you see yourself, not how others judge you. If you want to identify with being black, that is up to you, it is not up to anyone else to put labels on others.
Comment by mixedgrl80 on 30 January 2009:
I think people would be surprised to find out how many of the black balls would consider the swirly and polk-a-dot balls outsiders too. For everywhere white ball that feels that way, there is a black ball that feels the same.
It’s really up to Halle and Barack, who have both lovingly acknowleged their white family, to say who they are. I personally don’t feel I will ever date within my race, because I’m not dating my sister. So it will always be an interracial relationship for me. (Race as as cultural label, of course not as a biological one because we all know biologically we are all the same race.)
It’s all love really, and putting a label on it, doesn’t change what it is at it’s root. So Label on.
Comment by thekid47 on 31 January 2009:
Actually, the phrase one drop of ‘blood’ referencing anything genetically is a bit deceptive. That language comes down, in the United States specifically, to the racial laws that have their origins before the Civil War.
Genetic information is not passed via blood-hence the laws here, up until the late 40’s, forbidding the transfusion of blood between persons of different ‘racial’ groups, was and is, flawed.
The use of the phrase ‘mulatto’, has it’s roots as a ethnic description as early as New Spain, at least in the case of this hemisphere.
Racial designations, vary by country, Brazil I believe had and has, 5 designations-and the in the United States, there are certain interesting definitions that one will find in US Department of Labor documents-such as persons being part of the original peoples from..etc. The exception, very curiously, is that for the definition of black, it is people originating from Africa for example-but the phrase original peoples is ..well, missing.
South Africa under apartheid had three-interestingly enough, only three. Brazil and the United States had more, and of course, different.
As far as the President and Halle Berry, and whomever-I think that while stating who they are, they also probably realize that it is not simply a one person definition-precisely because they both live in a society, with real, unfortunately, real
people, some of whom have this social construct of ‘race’, and that is what it really is, levied in their thinking and hence their behavior.
To author of the article, no I haven’t chosen to see Halle’s Berry’s relationship as a interracial one-and the President’s marriage as a Black one per se.
How about, seeing the President’s marriage as one of those 1/10 marriages that are full of love, respect and strength and so refreshing to see in the White House?
How about wishing Halle Berry, who has had problems in previous relationships, all the best and all happiness in her life?
The problem fundamentally, in some of these blog articles, is that they fundamentally beg the question, and set the discussion off in a adversarial fashion-which is not necessary at all.
Discovery magazine, about a decade ago, had a edition on the science of ‘race’, and how arbitrary it is-depending on what set of genetic factors, and blood is not a genetic factor-people across countries for example can have B+ blood-but how, depending on what factors, Norwegians and Nigerians are closer genetically than say Norwegians and Finns-depending on what factors are chosen.
Comment by Maggi32 on 1 February 2009:
Yes-if you look black,that makes you less white.We live in America.Some things won’t change
Comment by thekid47 on 1 February 2009:
Actually, the argument was independent of being in America, it was focused on the fact that race is a construct, that things therefore are looked and talked about differently, not only between countries, but within them, and the question itself is problematic-
But I take your point about living in America, but I suggest, that the ground, to borrow a phrase from the President’s Inaugural, ‘has shifted’.
Comment by Melanie_knox on 1 February 2009:
I think that there is one important fact missing. We, those who have light colored skin. Also are in the mixed catagory. You see, being of two parents whom come from two different countries would make you mixed if it’s about ethnicity. If it’s about shade of the skin, someone from Ireland and someone from England are more than likely not going to have the same shade of skin, but people don’t look at that the same. While the same is true for those from Nigeria or Africa. Each lineage has different characteristics. Be it the shade of the skin, predominant facial features or body structure. No matter the color of your skin chances are we are all mixed. I think we’ve come a long way with a longer way still to go to teach the world about color blindness.
Comment by sassceelinda on 2 February 2009:
It is interesting and refreshing to see the comments from a younger generation. This is apparently a topic of fascination still. I met
my second husband in 1980. He was the love of
my life and claimed to be creole. His father
was a very dark black man and his mother was
a very fair skinned (with black hair and eyes)
creole woman. Their children were a beautiful
chocolate. Of course I lost my family with my
decision to marry ‘outside’ my race. Funny, at
seventeen I had an Aunt say a dasterdly thing
about my first marriage to a Catholic. It just
goes to show you cannot please everyone! Follow
your heart.
Comment by Micheli on 5 February 2009:
What is this white world/black world garbage??? Are these planets in two different galaxies???
Fact is if Obama was standing on the corner with a 40 ounce, nobody would be calling him “bi-racial”. But we know exactly what they would be calling him! Seems to me nowadays when a “black” person accomplishes something outstanding, white folks want to whitewash the black person. But if that same black person were on foodstamps, in jail, or being loud on the bus, no one is going to say, “Look at that bi-racial!”.
AND let’s face it, on her way UP the ladder Halle was considered BLACK. Somehow after winning that Oscar she became BI-RACIAL. Interesting indeed.
Perhaps if America pulled it’s racist head out it’s racist behind we can get back to calling people what they really are…PEOPLE living in ONE world!
Comment by LadyJade80 on 6 February 2009:
I am obviously of european descent. As a matter of fact, I am first generation American and find the thought that my daughter, who is of mixed decent would only be considered black. Her black father doesn’t have any involvement in her life or upbringing, so why should be solely identified by the fact that her skin is the color of a nicely tanned white person?? I mean really, in the summer you have white people who you wouldn’t even know they were white because they are tanned. So do they become black by the season since their skin pigmentation is dark versus light? And so, it seems down right ignorant to try and claim that if you are half black you are all black. I am very much white, but my daughter is not MORE black then she is white. The bottom of her feet and the palms of her hands are just as white as mine. And on that note, does that mean an albino person, is truly white although both of their parents are black, simply because they are lacking pigment?? sounds ridiculous right? Now, Barack Obama is just as much white and he is black, but it’s funny no one really wants to touch that with a ten foot pole. I do think it is interesting that the first “black” president, really is the best of both worlds and it is a nice transition from our history of only white leaders. Don’t you think it’s time we start seeing people for what they truly are and not what’s convient at the time?
Comment by brinjanlsu on 8 February 2009:
Very true. I am indian and people judge my on my skin color. But… I am born in America. Although I don’t have “White or Black” blood, the fact is…. all humans (especially Amercians) judge on Skin Color and not necessarily culture or ethnicity. I joined thsi site and amazingly, 100% of people who have emailed me or winked me are “Black” I don’t mind persa, but its funny that 0 whites have. What does that say? I think that proves human nature is to be “initimate” with people that Look more like you because inherently humans judge on color. Its sad -but the truth. So given I live in America where 70% are white, 12% black, 17% Mexican - i don’t have too many dating choices because most women stay to their races, or those few that dont will still want to be near their “color”. If not, then they always go with the “White” because that is what is socially acceptable given “whites” are the dominant, wealthy power in our world.
Comment by me on 8 February 2009:
quite a few of these comments are a bit silly. cause…. Obama and Halle are the ones that identify themselves as black……. it’s not forced…..
Besides, the point is, that they are both(black and white). So tell me, does the white negate the black? NO
That is why he is the first black president, and she is the first black woman to win that award.
You people forget that they are BOTH, do they negate each other and make something foreign? is your daughter not black because she is white as well? See I don’t need a pole to touch this subject, cause it’s all quite simple, and you are making this needlessly complicated.
Geeez, we are ONE people anyway, what’s with all this “best of both worlds” bologna? It’s your little nonsense that keeps all this separation, why we have so many identity issues. Yes they are black, yes they are white, so you should be careful not when you say they are not black.
Imagine your child, she goes, “well….. if I’m not black.. and if I’m not white because white is something “pure” then…. what am I? I’m Other?” Ahhh people, come on now. They are Black and white, not some kind of strange creation of no origin.
Comment by me on 8 February 2009:
one more thing, why is it that when he was running for president, so many people were saying things like, “I’m not voting for a black guy as president” but now that he’s in, those same people and more focus on the fact that he’s half white now as if the black doesnt even exist now? hypocrites indeed. My point is that I hope some people posting comments like “he’s just as much white as he is black, why do people say he’s fully black?” Wow, noone says he’s fully black, but he is indeed our first black president. You and your nonsensical thoughts oppose each other. If you want to attack someone for calling them black(as if they are not) then you should be attacking Barack and Halle, cause they do it themselves. Please stop saying that noone acknowledges that he’s half white, because noone denies that he is.
Comment by me on 8 February 2009:
Sorry, didnt check my last response before I posted it.
One more thing. Why is it that when he was running for president, so many people were saying things like, “I’m not voting for a black guy as president” But now that he’s in, those same people and more focus on the fact that he’s half white now as if the black doesn’t even exist now? hypocrites indeed. My point is that I hope some people posting comments like “he’s just as much white as he is black, why do people say he’s fully black?” see their fault. Because, Really? Wow, noone says he’s fully black, but he is indeed our first black president. You and your nonsensical thoughts oppose each other. If you want to attack someone for calling them black(as if they are not) then you should be attacking Barack and Halle, cause they do it themselves. Please stop saying that noone acknowledges that he’s half white, because noone denies that he is.
Comment by Nyala_Red28 on 8 February 2009:
Great comment Roderic1…AMEN! Most people regardless of racial heritage are mixed to a certain extent so why are all the labels needed? We definitely do get “caught up in the wrong things” which only continues to divide people in our country.
Comment by SugaD305 on 12 February 2009:
I just feel like if you wanna say that Barack and Halle are not classed as black then you sould say that most black people are not classed as black. I can’t take off my black skin to get a good job or to get good credit or a loan. I have to live with this just as Barack and Halle did before they got into the jobs that they got. One day when I’m famous then I guess I won’t be just a black man anymore, but for now I’m still just a house NI@#ER. And we still live that way. I don’t like it but get real its life.
Comment by jaquentin on 13 February 2009:
heres my thoughts on this discussion..first of all the whole white america-black america thing needs to stop!! its comments like these that keep us divided,and if you find either of them to be true than you are seperating yourself by race and that to me is racist!! we are all americans period!! yes i am white,does this make me a racist??im sure in some peoples eyes it does!! hmmmm…let me guess why…oh i know because im WHITE..wow i see how that works… hmmm..so i guess now because im going to voice my opinion and because im WHITE im being racist!! i guess then its also true that everytime i apply for a loan or try to get a job i will have my way because im white…hmmmm i guess i also have perfect credit because im white!!ok then i guess i will have all the riches in the world and everything i want because im WHITE…wake up people we are who we are period regardless of how others may look at us. there were plenty of loans I DID NOT GET..there were plenty of times i applied to jobs I DID NOT GET..and yes at one time my credit was horrible..oh yeah SugaD305 i didnt know the color of your skin can lower your credit.maybe you should try paying your bills!! it sounds to me like your hiding behind your skin color as an excuse of your own failures..its comments like yours and others that make this country seem so hateful and racist!!so by you calling yourself a house NI@#ER must mean this is how you think white people look at you this offends me maybe you should look at yourself in the mirror because you are being racist with that comment..my point is this..we are who we are and what we do on a daily basis is how we choose our own lives,accepting who we are as individuals is what makes us, not our skin color!!!barack obama is a great man and i have all the respect for him in the world!!if he lived his life with hatred because he was black and thought of himself as a house NI@#ER he would not be in the position he is today.he is a smart man with respect and he accepts who he is whether he be black,mixed,or white he believed in his own dreams and goals regardless of his color. him believing in himself is who he is..he believed.. he worked hard he knew not to base his life on the color of his skin.hes accomplished more in life then i could ever imagine myself doing and i give him all the credit.hes who he is as an individual and his positive attitude paved his future!! so however people want to look at him black,white,mixed it really doesnt matter when he goes home hes just himself.. barack obama!!! change your attitude and believe in yourself as one regardless of your race or skin color…and your life will change with it. peace to everyone, we are all a great people and nation!!!!!
Comment by VallinSFAS on 13 February 2009:
I’m 1/8 (grandfather-father’s side) Cherokee, and I grew up in Washington, DC and eastern NC. I now live in Atlanta (until I move to London). I list myself online when asked as Af-Am/Cherokee.
Comment by BillySag on 13 February 2009:
It’s a fact that most African Americans consider them selves as black.Why is this?
There have been many races enslaved in America. Not to mention Irish, English; in good old Virginia. Read your history. For Blacks, they had a certain Law. Regardless of how light you were; your ass went to the block. Sold by the very same Rapist, irregardless of Blood.
South American and the Islands had a different story.These people embraced their children and their women or Men.
A very good sign of strength would be a black person irregardless of the color of his or her skin, to say I’m Black, and leave it at that.
If you will note, the new Social Engineering has preferences. I wonder why?
Comment by BillySag on 13 February 2009:
Speaking Truth To Power
If any one tries to convince you they are other than them selves; RUN.
I love HIP people; All over the planet. I’m very partial to people who love to read BLAVASKY(SECRET DOCTRIN) And ALICE BALIEY (Esoteric Astrology) and Jazz. I also love German Women. Not because of the whiteness but because they are so Dam HIP…
Love a person for who they are….Not for who you want them to be….
Comment by russian_QT on 14 February 2009:
This is a great article and how awesome that we can talk about stuff like this! I think that Obama is not black or white but BOTH. If his wife was black or white, both relationships would be considered interracial.
Did we forget that our Hispanic neighbors are only a mixture of native Americans, white conquistadors and black slaves?? We could just call them mixed then.
I don’t think you loose a culture when your father is one ethnicity and your mother is another, you gain, and you are fully both things if you embrace them.
Comment by BillySag on 14 February 2009:
I REMEMBER PUSKIN OF RUSSIAN, AND BEETHOVEN OF ENGLAND. BEETHOVENVEN WAS CALLED SCHWARTS BECAUSE HE WAS OF MIXED LINAGE. WHAT IS AN ARNOLD SCHWARENEGGER. REMEMBER,SCHWARTS; MEANS BLACK OR DARK.
MY POINT IS SIMPLY THIS WE MUST SEEK THAT WHICH WILL BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THE HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE SPIRITUAL, AND MAKE THE RACE OF MAN EVENTUALLY AS INTUITIONAL AS AS IT IS TODAY, INTELLECTUAL.
Comment by kelly2008 on 14 February 2009:
There is no such thing as different races, theirs only one race and that’s the human race, all of these people or human beings, but have more than one cultural background and or ethnicity involved in their lives. If all humans being would treat each other as humans their would be no problems. Men are Men and Women are Women whether they be black, white, red or green. A dog is an animal whether it be a German Shepard or pitt bull its still a dog. Get over it people and call humans what they are and stop trying to make them something different.
Comment by world citizen on 16 February 2009:
So far (being in the mid sixties), I have felt comfortable among any kind of people world wide and I felt accepted and even loved, because I felt no prejudice toward anyone who may have looked differently, or having other customs, behavior or religion. I had, however, not been a threat to these people, because I was not a burden or did not jeopardize their existence. I pretty much stayed within the broad middle class of those countries and perhaps with a positive attitude, my wonderful experiences are not a miracle, they had to happen under these good circumstances.
Many people experience the opposite for many reasons. They may have been raised with prejudices, they may have had negative experiences themselves in the past. They are simply not able to look at others without bad expectations. I do not blame these people, as they did not have the same background as for instance I. My family has always looked for interesting partners, subsequently I have seven different European nationalities in me. It was only natural for me to have healthy, intelligent and beautiful children with a dark skinned American. I know in the U.S., generally one drop of dark blood is considered being black. My children do not identify themselves as being black, though, and they live in an international, educated society in the U.S. (including many dark skinned Americans).
Our family believes, behavior has extremely much to do with being accepted by others. Being educated and well mannered opens up lots of doors anywhere. Topped by good looks and a positive personality will get anyone ahead. This is the reason why wonderful Barack Obama (despite his name) is admired world wide. He can relate to people anywhere on earth and is a true world citizen. He had to work very hard - also on himself, to get there.
I would like to express my sorrow for all people on earth, who do not have a true chance to get out of the bad situation they were born into or brought into by others who are greedy, ill minded and egotistic.
We do not all have the same chance. There is no justice. Many people are severely handicapped from the moment they are conceived by mothers who are drug addicts or have aids. Does it really help to pray?
But a fact is, that our greatest celebrities throughout history come from the so called lower class in society. They were given a chance for education. Thereby they discovered a great talent, which, with much ambition, made them world famous.
They did not get there by feeling sorry for themselves, blaming others, being loud and aggressive, lazy and without perspectives. Perhaps one should look at oneself if there is also prejudice toward others - are black Americans without any? Once they moved into a nice middle class neighborhood, do they welcome a trashy family next door, regardless of color?
It took a long time for someone like Barack Obama to become president anywhere on earth! Time has come to look at true values!
Comment by jali7 on 16 February 2009:
Great article and good topic for conversation. As an African American/Black/Colored/Negro, its amazing to me to me to how many of us wont accept the the other ethnic side of mixed race human beings. How can you in good consciousness dismiss the other side of the equation, how? To do so is utter disrespect. Barack’s mother was Irish so that makes him as much Irish American as it does African American. So we have a African/Irish American Pres…
Comment by BillySag on 16 February 2009:
TIME AND SPACE
IF WE COULD TURN THE CLOCK BACK TO THE MOORISH INVASION OF ITALY OR PORTUGAL, WE WOULD SEE THE MOORES INTER MIXING WITH THE GREEKS AND ITALIANS. IN MODERN TIMES THESE PEOPLE ARE CALLED SICILIANS; NOT MULATOES. AGAIN IN ENGLAND IF YOU HAVE THE NAME MOORE OR KIM, THESE ARE DERIVATIVES OF BLACK.
THE INDIANS OF INDIA INITIALY WERE BLACK. WE DON’T CALL THEM MULATO. IN FACT THE BRIISH SOILDIERS WERE PAID TO CREAT “MIXED” BABIES TO FORM A BUREAUCRATIC CLASS. THINK ABOUT THIS. WACH YOUR TV. WHAT IS SOCIAL ENGINEERING?
IF YOU HAPPEN TO VISIT THE KING TUT EXHIBIT, GUESS WHAT? HE LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL AFRICAN. NOT LIKE THE “MORDERN EGYPTIANS. THIS MIXED RACE AS IDENTIFICATION IS A BY-PRODUCT OF RACISM. AS WE PROCEED INTO THE FUTURE WE WILL DEVELOPE NEW WAYS OF EXPRESSING OUR SELVES. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT’S VERY HARD TO DETERMINE WHO’S WHAT. DID YOU KNOW THAT BLACKS HAVE PARTICULAR ALIMENT CALLED SICKLE CELL ANIMIA. WHO ELSE HAS THIS? PEOPLE ON THE MEDITERRANEAN. WHY? BECAUSE OF MELONIN.
NOW, WE HAVE THE PEOPLE OF NORTHEN AFRICA, INDIAN, EGYPT ETC.ETC. AND NONE OF THEM CLAIM TO BE MIXED OR MULATO OR ANY OF THESE OTHER CRAZY THINGS.THE AMERICAN GI’S CALL THEM SAND N..GG…. IT’S ONLY IN AMERICA FOR THE MOST PART THAT PEOPLE HAVE COME TO DIFIND THEM SELVES BY RACE AND COLOR. AND I SEE IT’S SPREADING ALL OVER THE WORLD.
YOU MUST READ GERALD MASSEY OR HELEN BLAVASKY, AND MAYBE CHURCHWORTH.
WHAT IS ARNOLD SCHWARTSNIGGER? IS HE MULATO?
OH YES, THE WORLD IS CHANGING FOR THE BEST. BUT PLEASE, READ YOUR HISTORY.
NO ONE CAN BE YOU, BUT YOU. SO, BE YOUR SELF.
OH YES, PLEASE DO YOU!!!
Comment by jali7 on 16 February 2009:
What color was Adam??? Race, color, nationality its all relevant to a particular set of circumstances, time and space. If the rainbow did not have the many hues it would not be a rainbow. Defining things or people by different characteristics is natural as well as necessary for in the difference you find the likeness. So, its paradoxical in that oneness must divide and multiply itself to eventually be understood as oneness. The human being is no different. As much as i love my color (and i am darker than most) i am happy and satisfied everyone does’nt look, like me. Ah, the beauty of variety which creates a beauty of choice… If we are gonna read history lets read all of it. Some may say “its all good” and, then, others may say” it ain’t all so good”. Either way, its history…
Comment by BillySag on 17 February 2009:
TO REALY SEE HISTORY YOU MUST FIRST AQUIANT YOUR SELF WITH THE MATH. ADAM WAS SYMBOLICALLY THE “O” or the egg, androgyny.He had a Female in him. He was further synonymous to the ark of Noah,Sacred. From Sacred you get the races. The ark in this case being the carrier of all seeds, like Abraham. So in an abstract metaphysical way,again, there is no color.
Who turned the heat to 58 degrees, by the way!
OUT
Comment by Hawkgirl26 on 17 February 2009:
Ok wow were dpi start…. First of all we all need 2 shut our mouths and open our ears… R u all Listening 2 ur selfs? Ok I want2 adress one of the 1st ladies she was reponding 2 a white women sayn “basicaly” stop hatin when we white, Spanish,Italian ,german,Asian. Women walk into a resturaunt or bar or WHATEVER! And as far as ur respect, I u will get it but sweety u need 2 b able 2 give it 2, bcuz I didn’t nor did ne 1 els ( unless she took ur man)then u need 2 handle ur buissness I meen….. Come on we r all women and we all get wrongd by men but black women please stop HATIN buz bottom line u all can say black men like outside there raise bcuz “white women r submisouve” which in some case yes jus like in some cases black women r loud and rude and some assain girls can’t drive . But bottom line most Blk guys I date DONT date Blk women …. 4 vereouse reasons. Jus like I don’t date white guys 4 veriouse reasons! LOL I meen this is all soundin raisest and let’s just remember what jus happend this jan. But pleeeeeeaaaaaassssssseeeeeeee DONT 4GET who raised oboma LOL a white mother n gma!!!!!! But it first matter let’s just try n Coe exist. But as 4 the guy that said we “white woman” we basically a push over lollollollol uhhh huhuh y don’t I give I the number 2 my exs LOL. And that’s like steriotyping all Blk males as loosers u can’t do that bcuz sweety, there is good in everybody jus d pends if u choopse 2 look at it. But I wish a $&@?! Would ! I will never no what ur ansistors went threw and it sux n I can apologize up n down but basically it comes down 2 who we all find atractive…. So u can’t hate on that bcuz in the long run we r jus going 2 b 1 big melting pot!
Comment by fiel on 17 February 2009:
At the end, all that counts is if you have accepted Christ as your Savior.
We are all Gods loving creation, so instead of looking at pigmentation and judging each other seek God.
Comment by secchance on 21 February 2009:
I quote “Can’t we all just get along” I am 57 and can recall the colored water fountains in Ga, and ain’t nobody getting out of this thing call life, alive, live and enjoy while one can.
Comment by lucious1 on 23 February 2009:
I personally think it is beautiful when a people of a different race can come together and love each other. I dont see race, i see a human being. i was raise in a culture that did not truely expose me to racism. I got a dose of it when I moved to the South. Yet i feel the same way. Not everyone is racist/ignorant. I deal with individuals and respect everyones opinions.
Comment by spicelaura on 26 February 2009:
i have a 4 year old little that is mixed race but i don’t see that and all i see is how that other person is and you can’t help you who you fall in love with and my granddad was black but i still love him no matter and race is no big deal and it doesn’t matter and you can help where your heart lead you and you can’t fight the feel when you know is right.
Comment by Rome82 on 4 March 2009:
Should Barak deny his devoted white mother, or Tiger woods his Asian mother? Should Halle deny her white parentage, all for the sake of “well, in the U.S. if you’re not white, you’re black”?
Face it–most of our ideas about race don’t stand up to logic.
You can say “well that’s just the way it is” but then it never changes. STRONG INDIVIDUALS stand up to the bullsh*t and move the human race forward. Thank God Barak didn’t sit around saying, I’m black and I can only reach out to blacks and everyone knows a black man can never be president.
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Comment by Comment by Micheli on 16 April 2009:
The first time I saw Barack Obama (on Oprah), I immediately thought of him as Mulato, the same thing with Halle Barry. In Latin America being a Mulato is a definition of being mixed with white and black (there are many more definitions, javao, morena etc.) and many of them are proud to be one. In this country anybody that has a darker color than white is called Black. This is because during the slavery the only color full accepted was white, anything else was tainted and rejected. For many black woman having a mixed child meant rape, so that is why this was not something to brag about. When I first arrived in this country I did not understand why everyone was called black, now I do and respect it.
I voted for Obama not because he was black, mulato or mixed but because he is an honest, smart and good man and chose a very smart and good woman.
I do think that all parents count, white, black or mixed and I am glad America is acknowledging this.
My son is mixed but his skin color is white and while people have different definitions for him (which I don’t mind) I am glad we live now in a world accepting us all. More than color what counts in life is being raised in a nice, disciplined and loving environment.
I voted for Obama not because he was black, mulato or mixed but because he is an honest, smart and good man and chose a very smart and good woman.
I do think that all parents count, white, black or mixed and I am glad America is acknowleding this.
My son is mixed but his skin color is white and while people have different definitions for him (which I don’t mind) I am glad we live now in a world accepting us all. More than color what counts is a being raised in a nice, disciplined and loving environment.
Comment by NubianGem on 5 May 2009:
Some people feel as though being black or white is simply a frame of mind. Sociologist protest race as being a social construction intended to separate and classify. America and early Americans classified black as having 1 drop of black blood. Ya grandparents black? mom or dad white? your black! Simple as that! I find it is hilarious though that we have a black man in office and suddenly he becomes mulatto, half and half, he is mixed, he is this, he is that. He is human just like you and I! He doesn’t have wings nor the ability to read minds. Geees! wake up people there are more important things in this world besides skin color. Don’t get me wrong I am a sister by far and I love the skin I am in beyond compare but are you serious? Genocide along with apartheid are still alive and well in Africa, Latin America is still dependent upon the U.S. There are still prisoners in Guantanamo and I have a tummy ache just to name a few things that are more important than America’s dichotomy!
Comment by Delphine00 on 6 June 2009:
Why does the United States American person make such a big deal about race? It goes on and on, in every venue, this talk about race and racial pride and racial competency and racial this and that. What does it matter? Does a person’s race define them? Apparently there are many who think it does. Isn’t that rather pitiful and sophomoric?
Comment by lol on 29 June 2009:
It just makes me laugh that you all of you purposely came to a site for interracial dating and now race doesn’t exist or matter, why are you here.
Comment by sisi19 on 29 June 2009:
This race issue is huge and we all should go on Oprah and discuss it. I am African- American, Irish, Sioux Indian, etc. The list goes on, sometimes I get confused myself. My neice is all the things I’m mixed with plus her father is Polish, Italian, Mexican, Spanish etc. It’s too much, but I am not overwhelmed by her race, but by her beauty and my culturally diverse family. When I pull a wet brush through my hair in the morning I wonder what part of me makes it strait and silkly, then turn into a million little sprials. What part of my race prefers white men? Instead of trying to figure out what race people are that are already here, let’s just try to get along with them. I think lol is funny, but makes a good point.
Comment by LaShaz on 30 June 2009:
Oh the great debate…It’s the one thing I hate answering. Cause to be honest I am a blend of all my ethnicities. In the States I’m black, in Puerto Rico I’m Puerto Rican, even when I’m on the reservation I’m Native American…Sadly my Irish side is only recognized by family. The US has been the only place where I’ve lived where you get the constant questionin fof what are you. I’m an American…not an African-American, Native American, Latin American. An American that bleed and sweated for this country while serving in the military. So if you want to identify me then I’m all or nothing or simply an American. God help my son who’s part Sicilian and looks white. When he has to face this situation.
Comment by Ichibod on 30 June 2009:
My sentiments exactly, lol. I hate those types of comments. They have nothing to do with the topics at hand.
Comment by hello just wanted to give my 2 cents on 26 July 2009:
im biracial myself…ive always thought it should be the person in the relationship itself to label their relationship.
why label it anyways?
and the way i see it is, both obama and halle self identify as biracial blacks..i do the same myself…
meaning we interchange between saying we are black and biracial.
none of us are self haters because none of us deny our white moms. self identity means you are identifying with who you feel you can relate to, and racially we relate to our black side due to racism. even though all 3 of us have similar personalities.
in my opinion, i feel if i was with a black guy im dating within my race…but if im dating a white guy i feel like im dating out of my race.
mostly because if i was with a white guy, id get stares and rude remarks.
remember, most mixed people are treated like black people, until the person finds out they are mixed.
Comment by phatkitty on 26 July 2009:
First of all, Ms. Berry herself said that she identifies with being a black woman. So there. Now Mr. President never talked about which race he identifies with, but YOU and I both know the man is Black. The End.
Comment by latinonly1 on 30 July 2009:
Well,
I guess some americans identify their race/heritage by a number of things including upbringing, community, grandparents etc. Some may only identify with exactly what race both parents are. If your mother is black and your father is white, it makes you bi-racial but in America the elite/political caucasians came up with the “wonderful plan” (being sarcastic) to group anything that wasn’t what THEY percieved to be “pure white” into a black or other category.
It’s sad but true. Halle identifies with being a black woman but truthe is, she is black and white. Same with Barack or Sidney Poitier’s daughter, Lisa Bonet.
I don’t know what can a white person tell a multiracial or ethnic racial person about how they percieve themselves.
Comment by ezrhino2001 on 9 August 2009:
Here it is in black and white ! We are called mixed when we do something good and black when we do something not so good. A mixed race person is just that a mixed race person its a crime when when we deny our mixed, people of all single looking races will ask us our mix with provocation from us ! and then make a statement that u do not look mixed. So go figure, many times to prevent a stupid comeback from the person who asked , we just say we are not mixed. To be very honest here those of us who had a very recent set of grandparents or a parents of different races really do not identify with anyone single race, some may not like that statement but those who are know its true and in many=most cases we were raised by both races and cultures and not just one. People need to stop this that all of us mixed kids were only raised by 1 race or culture false media hype. 90% of us was raised by both parents and both sides of the family most of us are military kids anyway. Believe me its much different when your actual parents are of different races than some great, great grandparent rumored back in the 1800’s
Comment by segahikui on 27 August 2009:
Truth is that I’m black first. It is how I identify myself although I have a good dose of Native American and a little white. I embrace those parts of my heritage. However, the sad truth is that the ones who have power in this country have put everyone in these racial categories originally to keep themselves pure. I’m not making this up. Look at some of the things the colonials and founding fathers said about maintaining “racial purity” in America. That being said, I wish we were more like Latin America and the Islands when it comes to racial stuff. They atill have a preference for lighter skin, European features etc, but they are far less hung up on race than the USA.
Comment by travelgirl on 4 November 2009:
Hello!!!! Black people did not come up with the idea of the one drop rule in America the white slave owners did they also used to call black people animals and that we were 3/4th of a human so this is why Halle and Barak are called black and they are black.
Comment by jaimillera on 4 November 2009:
I have to agree with adventure88, Barack Obama and Halle Berry. Halle Berry while on Oprah confessed that although she was raised by a white mother she considers herself black. Halle Berry stated “she felt she was denying her mother (who is white) because her father (who is black) was abusive and left them. She felt she would betraying her mother. Her mother said it best, “Halle, when you look in the mirror what do you see.” Halle’s response is that I see a black women. Barack Obama openly talks about this fact as well in his book. I am interracial and if you saw me walking by you would never know that I was not black. I am married to a man who is russian/polish and our older son is very fair and the younger son is 2 shades lighter than myself. Would you consider me telling my older son who is fair with nappy hair and black features that he is white?! It’s unrealistic. Statistics do show that at least 95% of children who are interracial do rarely consider themselves white. Meanwhile, I can tell someone in conversation that I am mixed black and white. I think the real issue for some mixed children who look black but do not want to consider themselves black is because you want to play both sides of the field becaus you think you can white America will accept them. Halle Berry said it best at the end of the day a White American will always see a black person as being balck; it doesn’t even matter if you have white skin with black features. If you are mixed black and white in my opinion you are black. White can be mixed with many different races however, you can always tell that they are mixed. Some may agree with me, some may want to crucify me.
Comment by julius26 on 23 November 2009:
To Jaimillera
80% of mixed race people do what you do and marry white so its seems to me that mixed race people feel more white than black; despite what they might say in public. Your sons will more likely go out and marry a white woman than a black woman, i doubt if they will ever consider going out with a black woman. The fact speak for themselves.
Comment by Scoff/Sarah on 25 November 2009:
All of these comments are so true, saw a movie recently, Called Slow Burn, got me thinking Jolene Blalock. If you get a chance check it our, this woman changes like a Camilion (the lizard)(spelling), to fit her needs.
Being a rather dark person (Greek white native American mix) I have confused a few through the years. Once when I was younger a older black man stopped to ask directions, then excused himself by saying oh I thought you was a colored boy. He was looking for a black family’s farm, I like I was white so how could I know where a black family lived. After giving him directions again he aplogized for thinking I was a colored boy. I laugh about incidents like this, again when I was working in Southern Cal. area, a small Mexican boy asked me something in Spainish, he mother stepped in, again another aplogy for thinking I was a Mexican.
With blue eyes and very a dark complexion, and staying in the sun a whole lot, in Florida most assume that I’m Cuban.
Just another thought about what is mixed or multi-race perception..
Scoff
Comment by Miss.Bana on 9 December 2009:
Hello Everyone!!!! Will we ever get over this? I have people telling me how ‘exotic’ looking I am. I usually get the questions; am I Mexican,Half Black/Asian, or Half Black/Mexican? Are you serious? This is soooo rude to ask in a way if your motive is not pure, but if your motive is pure than that can be discussed as a ‘teachable moment’. We are so taught by the illuminati controlling media, that White is good and everything else is bad! We ALL belong to GOD, but having a personal relationship with JESUS is a different thing. I do have to agree with that one write about Halle Berry; her mother told both of her sisters they are Black, even though they have a White Mother. You all should check out Halle Berry’s other two sisters! Even Alicia Keys claims Black; even though Ms. Terry Augello-Cook paid for all of her piano lessons. Ms. Cook said she never felt thrown under the bus by Alicia and she respects her choice! Not all Biracial people come out looking like Mariah Carey, some look like Jennifer Hudson! Yes, one of my co-workers’s daughters is the same shade of Jennifer Hudson and my co-worker is a dirty Blonde with Green eyes!! It goes back to the science; every White person has 30 percent Black Blood in them! So let us stop tripping!! Whether we are mixed or mixed looking, stop treating it like it is something so wonderful,special, or a privelege! It is what it is!!! Love your fellow brother and sister! GOD Bless and take care of yourselves; because you are worth it!!! WHOLE FOODS MARKET OR TRADER JOE’S!!!!!
Comment by scoff/sarah on 9 December 2009:
Miss Bana
Again: another home run, way to go, excellent it’s about the person. NOT the SKIN Color.
Thanks
Scoff
Comment by e-dub on 10 December 2009:
People who have to classify someone by race are either: a%^*oles, stupid, or lazy — most often all three. If you look at person and go white, black, other it is nothing but a sad attempt to fit the other person in box and to dehumanize them to fit your petty prejudices. My niece is biracial and identifies herself as black for the very simple reason her white family wouldn’t have anything to do with her. That is something, I can understand she was raised by black people why wouldn’t she consider herself to be black.
Oh by the way, Thank God for all the beautiful women in all their infinite variety because they are what make life worth living
Comment by e-dub on 11 December 2009:
Miss.Bana
Are you saying a native Ice Lander is 30% black? I’m curious about your source info.
Comment by tatted2death on 13 December 2009:
E-dub……I implore you to just take a long look at some of the people that come from different regions and then think about the fact that Africa is not that far from Eurasia. I think it would be silly to assume that “so-called” race mixing is a new thing. People have had boats for quite some time now….lol. But yeah I think it is a little far fetched to look at in the context of that percentage as well.
My take on it is we are really and truly all related. I have seen native people from Denmark who look very much like they could share a relative or two with people from Samoa. I have looked into the eyes of quite a few native South and east Africans and noticed that wonderful slant that is usually only attributed to those of Asian descent. And we all must admit sometimes it is difficult to tell on sight alone if someone is Native American, Mexican, Asian or a combination…(Yes, that is very much possible) As the saying goes…sometimes “the proof is in the pudding”…LOL. And at the same time….who give a ssssshhhh???….LOL.
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
Comment by forthimilive on 16 December 2009:
Being a father of two beautiful bi-racial children, there mother and I have always taught them they were both white and black. My oldest is in High School and he hates to be called black by others, he is quick to say ” I am not black, I am Caucasian/African American. Does he deny or dis like being black? of course not! He is just not ashamed of his race(s)
As far as whom he dates, I tell him “date whomever makes you happy” cause God Nor Love know Race..
As far as my daughter goes she ain’t leaving the house till she Fifty, LOL
Comment by Mr Driven on 8 January 2010:
I think race is a beautiful thing and to intermingle them is even better. There is so much to be learned. I think the problem is too many people love living in the comfort zone. When we step out of that, we grow and begin to see a world of difference. I am Black and Native American, my mother was raised by a white woman and had a black father. She turned out to be a very educated beauty woman with dignity and gratitude. The creation of the human race shouldn’t be defined by race but by who we are as individuals inside these different looking bodies. Love sees no color and it is unfortunate that some are still stuck in the 1800’s. I love all nationalities and find knowledge in each. Could you imagine going to school and learning only one subject leaving all the others out. We need to intermingle to be complete and understand what being different really means. Much love to all. The world is only as great as we see it. Remember that..
Comment by boots on 22 January 2010:
to mr Driven.. and all the others who hope 4 peace and love .Maybe the white world should start by telling the whole story of what really happened 2 black people..and not just a few well intentioned apologies on slavery etc… in this country in particular slavery was a race based system, whites did as they pleased ,murder rape mutilation you name it, all sanctioned by law and it wasn’t only in the 1800’s http://www.slaverybyanothername.com Douglas A.Blackmon Anchor Books…White men have taken black women at will since the 1600’s up into 1900s Myself I have grown tired, after living 50 yrs, of hearing how we all should learn to live together love each other bs… when whites refuse to repay what they have stolen from black people, the bible says we should love each other but it also says when you have wronged someone you are to restore that person threefold tenfold.For all the talk that has been done on this issue interracial love sex etc.I find it quite absurd that there is not much discussion on the subject of white wealth and how it came to be….Black Labor,White Wealth Claud Anderson,Ed.D(Maryland:Duncan&Duncan)1994, perhaps that white knight that all these sisters on this blog are looking for if he had not inherited that white status ,privilege, money he would’nt look so good and conversely the brother had he been given what was rightfully his i.e payment for is labor, pain sweat and blood of 3000 yrs he would’nt be deplored by his own woman.Until there is true justice …in the criminal justice, penal system economics political,with reparations we can throw all this love sh@#T out the window. Our young blk people dont have a clue, always talking about a color blind world and interracial love .I think we should rethink the whole idea of Black Nationalism
Comment by boots on 22 January 2010:
sorry i meant 300 yrs…..of slavery /
Comment by Secchance on 22 January 2010:
Marvine Gaye sang in one of his songs, Inner City Blues, “Make me wanna holla throw up both my hands”, the fact of the matter is “Who Really Cares”, “Can’t We all Just Get Along”. Would it make a difference if you needed Blood and they said well we got some of the blood from a White or Black if you Butt wanted to live it wouldn’t really make a difference would it. Be part of the Solution, lets find a cure for Hatered and wrong doings. Lets for once in this sick world try to find some medium of peace.
Comment by bigeyes31 on 22 January 2010:
@boots,
Oh my! You speak the truth. I believe in trying to get along with other races of people but it’s hard when you have a whole race that won’t really acknowledge what they are responsible for. I believe that’s FIRST step after wronging someone,is to make amends. I haven’t seen that for blacks. I am attracted to white men just like I’m attracted to black men,hispanic men, native-american men,etc. That’s because I’m a woman and human but I refuse to place white men on a pedestal,like I have seen on his very blog. I have seen some black women come on here and defend a white man married to a white woman who confesses he is NOW interested in black women(he is still married). He gets a pat on the back and branded “honest” by a black woman. I have also seen on this blog another black woman come on here and totally brag about her “white boyfriend”, her words not mine,. Yet, he hasn’t made ANY plans to marry her. Carrying on the sentiment that white men will sleep with us under the “boyfriend” umbrella but not take us home to meet mom and tell her of his proposal to us. Utopian thinking is not for us. It causes us to not accept reality and accept actions that others wouldn’t normally accept. Yes, I admit I’m on this blog to expand my dating horizons but black men are always on my list and I love them because of their strength,the physical, emotional and mental kind, and oh yeah, that natural “swagger” they seem to ooze without a word, LOL.
Peace
Comment by boots on 23 January 2010:
big eyes ..thank u 4 your comment….I have 2 say Iam a big fan,I admire your strong christain faith I to am a believer…all you guys mr laurelton, Tatt and the rest..I read u all on the other blogs …god bless
Comment by bigeyes31 on 24 January 2010:
@boots
You are certainly welcome. Thank you for being a fan. You spoke truth, of which I am a fan. I find that most people are offended by truth and more importantly reality. I guess because they both can be quite unpleasant. Yes,I am fully persuaded to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He has blessed,taught me and given me favor. I’m glad to know that you too are a believer. I want to encourage you to stay strong in your faith because you have to be strong in this day where believing in and following Christ is considered “silly”. I’m the happiest,silliest person I know,LOL(sarcasm laced with truth). I like Mr. Queens style,lol. I enjoy this blogging/posting thing,lol and he mixes it up. I like being the “devil’s advocate” too,LOL.
Peace unto you
Comment by tatted2death on 24 January 2010:
Boots…..I totally respect what you have to say. (and most of what I am about to type is not in response to YOUR post…..LOL).
But I have to let it be known that I am a proponent of “GETTING ON WITH THE GET ALONG”. Respect the history but also know that not everyone is on the same page. THAT IS ALL…..NO UTOPIAN THINKING HERE….Just TRYING (not being perfect) to implement OBJECTIVE BALANCE. Truth and reality don’t frighten or repel me; it is the future of that are “stuck” that SADDENS me. I have always respected others choices. it is just ridiculous that people just can’t let go of the past. It is simple; if you don’t grow you WILL parrish….not a threat, just a time-proven fact. I have never been one for standing around singing “spirituals” in hopes of peace. I am more about attacking this thing on an individual basis. I WILL speak out to the individual I hear on the street corner spouting racist crap….be it black, white or whatever. (neva scurred….lol) Just because I don’t practice “internet thugggery” with everyone that expresses themselves doesn’t mean I am “patting them on the back”. Sometimes it’s best to LET DOGS LIE…..PERIOD. (dogs can be honest creatures….LOL). But I guess that can be understood since others like admiring “trolls” here.
People really need to stop following the blinded (by cynicism and self-hated) around every curve. Everything doesn’t need to be twisted to be understood….sometimes things are PLAIN AND SIMPLE….and ALOT of times it is real easy to MAKE them that way (if the effort is taken).
Peace and Blessings
Comment by bigeyes31 on 24 January 2010:
Boots(this is not directed at you but I’m dealing with a passive aggressive person, so I have to use the language they speak, although directness is my style. Please bear with me.)
This is the problem here. Racism and prejudice are NOT in the past. It’s still alive and well. All you have to do is make a certain group angry and they will let you know. Why do you think the Rush Limbaugh’s, Neal Boortz, and Glen Becks can incite so many people with what they say.It isn’t because they are easily influenced but because he speaks to what they ALREADY feel. That’s just one example of the microcosm that exist. This doesn’t run in a small group of people either.
That’s enough of that…because I don’t explain my self to you,just not important enough.
See, SOME black people want to always say to you “let go of the past”. They turn all as you said boots,”peace and love on you”. Utopian thinking over simplifies things, it makes it easier to gloss over and imagine things like, thinking a white man couldn’t be racist or racism is over because he likes black women(even though he’s married to a white woman or he still has you on “girlfriend” status after years of dating,LOL). I’m the LAST one to live in the past and I’m perfectly happy with how I TACKLE life,my life in particular. As I said before I simply enjoy this blogging/posting and will continue to do so. “Cynism and self-hatred”, LOL, “Utopian language”, moving on…doesn’t apply to me,:-).
Boots(rhetorical question but you CAN answer if you want,lol), are we being judged on our choices of who we like as a blogger(Mr. L Queens)???? Some may not like his posts but he makes valid points and I like them. Isn’t that MY choice?? See some people want to make you think that they are objective…as long as you like who and what THEY like. Sounds kinda like fascism to me( boots,I’m being sarcastic)lol. Who says you are balanced?? That’s your opinion. Balance is relative, thank you. Boots, it has implied that as believers we,”stand around singing spirituals in the hopes of peace”. Boots, I see many belivers helping our communities,offering assistance and encouragement. Drug and youth ministries, feeding the homeless. YOU and I KNOW what we do as christians.People like Beautybeyondwords going into the prisons to spead the gospel to the “written off”. Can’t STAND singing when you are MOVING, helping.
Never request that people do what YOU yourself won’t do. Admonishing people to let go of the past and “LET DOGS DIE…PERIOD” but every other post you are explaining yourself over and over. Utopian thinking is a REAL concept and a REAL term and it isn’t an individual thing so how do you know I’m even addressing an individual in particular??? Looks to me, everytime I express myself, “internet thuggery” is used so, I have to differ with the opinion on that.
Boots,
Thank you for bearing with me on this. Stay up!
Peace, I owe my brother a home-cooked pancake breakfast with eggs.LOL.
Comment by Ichibod on 24 January 2010:
To whom it may concern:
Matthew 7:6 “Give not that which is Holy unto dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine , lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”
And like I mentioned in my response to E-dub in that other topic about people with a particular set of beliefs are not respected as merely having an opinion, they are always “looked down upon” or thought to be crazy or missing something. You can’t subliminally look down on someone or their beliefs and not expect them to defend themselves or their beliefs and opinions especially if you’re not trying to help them, which in this case (and in my personal opinion), the person is in no need of assistance but is more coherent and cognizant, not to mention respectful, of the issues regarding themselves as well as others around them than a person of their “ilk” is ever given credit for. Ever hear of stereotyping? And as the saying goes, “Those who forget the past are doomed to relive it.” I just threw that one in for free.
Many issues and/or topics of discussion that come up in our lives, as seperate and as exclusive as we think they are (Situational Ethics), they are actually connected, interlaced, related, or spill over much like the comments from one thread have into another.
I said all of that to say this:
Comment by Ichibod on 24 January 2010:
LADIES, STOP IT!!!
Comment by bigeyes31 on 24 January 2010:
Yes, Ichibod you are correct. I have moved on literally to another blog commenting and complimenting on someone(boots’s) else’s post. I’m being followed,lol.
Comment by godiva61 on 24 January 2010:
Not to change the subject but I made too many crabcakes, could I interest anyone in some of my mouth watering crabcakes, homemade potato salad and fresh string beans. Desert is a lemon cream cheese pound cake..
Blessed are the peacemakers!
Love to all and here’s to not seeing Peyton Manning in the Super Bowl..
godiva
Comment by Ichibod on 24 January 2010:
Godiva’s got vittles! Yummy :p
Comment by tatted2death on 25 January 2010:
Now someone is claiming they are being “followed”….well, when I notice someone “running” to another thread to discuss issues that involved me in another I start to wonder certain things as well…..won’t express my theories here in an attempt to “rise” above the nonsense. If you can’t take someone “responding” to whatever you type here you NEED to stay off the net……PERIOD. Queens “followed” me and I made fun of it as well…glad to see some still maintain a sense of humor.
Well, here we go, THE TWISTING continues…..I never WAS “balanced”…..I stated what I was trying to implement….(those that read and comprehended understood….so be it). And the truth of the matter is I certainly am NOT important enough to “explain” yourself to (yet you did anyway for another 2 paragraghs….LOL) yet I think you recognize the importance of “setting the record straight” in terms of how your posts are understood.
I respect and understand that coompletely. Now granted people are still going to walk away with there own intrepretations but hey at least you tried.
You know I also have a couple more SUGGESTIONS in “HOW TO BLOG WHEN THE SUBJECT JUST WON’T STAY THE COURSE”
1)It’s a tad bit contradictory to say note that you are being followed and the “speak” to another blogger (calling for “help”…LOL) that has NEVER commented in this thread.
2)”Internet Thuggery” is USUALLY defined by someone calling names, making threats, etc. (typical kindergarten behavior). Now if you feel “INTIMIDATED” by someone’s response that’s another story. Whatever make the blogging “experience” more enjoyable for YOU, I suppose.
3)If someone is not speaking to someone DIRECTLY and a subject matter comes up that is somewhat “UNIVERSAL” then you come off as a hypocrite saying a particular person shouldn’t feel the need to respond….(if someone took it personal oh well..lol…..It’s their PERSONAL right to respond accordingly).
Many times I have posted in here on a certain subject….for example, my comment on “bible thumpers” in the other thread. I was basically posing a hypothetical to ALL people reading but certain people (for whatever PERSONAL reasons) felt the need to reply….UNDERSTANDABLE, right. This is the nature of Blogging. IF you are bold enough to make a “hobby” out of this (I DEFINITELY have and will probably need an intervention to get out of this….LOL), then you need to accept certain “realities”. —HERE ARE YOUR RIGHTS: Your posts can and WILL be misinterpreted (get over that); you have the right to scroll or be droll; you have the right to receive “love” from other bloggers but beware of the “haters”, “bashers” etc.; But if you are incapable of receiving love that is a whole other can of blog misdirection and you might want to find a new “hobby”…(LMAO).
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
Comment by tatted2death on 25 January 2010:
Dear Ich….
…I truly appreciate (as always) your response here….
but know this much about how I truly feel on this….I am NOT for “forgetting” (LESSONS are meant to be LEARNED). I only offer suggestions as to why results may not from simply “remembering”/dwelling in the negative. I simply wish people could truly understand the nature of “forgiveness”. My understanding is that TRUE christians are suppose to master this art and when I here people making certain claims and ….oh well…I am truly done with this aspect of it. It’s just sad that neither approach works with some people (tough love or the “tree-hugging” kind…LOL).
Like I have always said (AND UPHELD), I respect others and their right to disagree with me or whatever. But I REFUSE to allow self-assured and supposedly intelligent people slide with constantly “twisting”(not simply misintrepreting) what I am about….PERIOD. IF that gets translated into someone else is “dragging” me around these blogs…oh well. Funny, thing is I don’t “feel” like anyone’s dragging me. If anything they are riding (at least at times) MY coattails…and it’s cool. I am not here “promoting” anything so it really doesn’t matter all that much to me.
And contrary to what some may believe of me I am NOT above learning lessons here. I am gradually learning to NOT be so miffed at someone “labeling” me, especially when they obviously have limited understanding of the label in the first place…(passive aggressive….PFFT and LOL). or even if they use a label like their “trademark” or something…..LOL. I actually take it as flattery when someone “patterns” their posts after mine in a “attempt” to belitte or insult….amusing, indeed.
The reason I type as much as I do (to “explain” myself) is because I know for a fact that there are others that deeply share my sentiments but blogging just isn’t their “style”…..I respect that. I have NEVER had an issue with someone wanting to be a little more understood…that is human nature…so NO ONE should be censored (Queens, included……lol…..just stick to the topic, dayummit…LOL)
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
Comment by tatted2death on 25 January 2010:
Hiya Godiva……glad you know you are still around..
nice misdirection there…..LOL.
Peace to you, sis
Comment by bigeyes31 on 25 January 2010:
Ahh, so the REAL reason for all these LONG EXPLANTIONS come out. Oh so this is as I suspected, you WANT me to RUN and you WANT me to be intimidated….GUESS WHAT…WON’T BE HAPPENING, LOL.Utopian thinking and imagining things go hand in hand, thanks for confirming that. Even after addressing the person by name(boots)to let every SANE person know who I was “so called” explaining to,(to the sane,its called posting a positive agreement to another blogger) you STILL think my posts are about you. For the record, you followed me and everyone knows it,lol. You “read between the lines” to some how end up imagining things once again. Running….from YOU????LMAO.That’s what you wanted to happen so you made it up in your mind.Get some help for that. No, I don’t place as much IMPORTANCE on “setting the record straight on how “my” post are understood”as much as YOU seem to ,given the length of your explanations to ME. Thank you, I appreciate all you put into it…LOL. Granted,people are going to walk away seeing the “truth” of who is following who from blog to blog. Speaking of “HOW TO BLOG WHEN SUBJECT JUST WON’T STAY THE COURSE”, seems like I’M your topic instead of the one posted at the top of the thread. Again, you need to go in the same direction that you are giving others, but I know you can’t because you just can’t let go.Despise rejection much??,LMAO. You are seriously delusional if you think I need to call for help. You have ALREADY been dealt with…but good,lol. I moved on to a post in a different blog to someone who ACTUALLY DID POST(remember boots?)You obviously couldn’t handle it. Speaking of getting “love” on this board, I have BEEN getting that since I started on this forum from white men, black men, some black women who all share MY sentiments…lol,so ummh (get over that,lol).No matter how many people you imagine sharing your “sentiments”, you still can’t handle the ONE more than yours who share mine. You responded because you are so used to using innuendo on others that you have become,shall I say…hypersensitive to your own tactics. That’s why you responded, lol. You play the game but not well enough. The BIGGEST HYPROCRISY IS….admonishing people to move on and talk about “forgiveness” when YOU HAVEN’T done it yourself. Like L. Queens said “bigeyes haven’t done anything to you”. Brilliant man. He has long been reading “between the lines” and calling them like he sees them,lol. Now, the bitter one wants me to move on from the blog and off the net,LMAO, what’s wrong, am I invading the space of one who thinks she is the queen of this blog that she can tell anyone that they need to get off the blog?? This is my answer to ALL imaginary rulers/queens….OFF WITH HER HEAD…LMAO. I’ll be here until I’m ready to leave and I can go at this forever.
Comment by bigeyes31 on 25 January 2010:
Hello godiva! I hope you are well. Save some crabcakes for me,lol. I spar better on a full stomach,lol!
Peace
Comment by bigeyes31 on 25 January 2010:
HERE ARE YOUR RIGHTS: Your posts can and WILL be misinterpreted (get over that); Truly hillarious. Trying SOUND LOGICAL about being misinterpreted, coming from someone who constanly whined about being misinterpreted and then themselves misinterpreted others, is like a pig wearing lipstick.LOL I knew something sounded “off” about THAT statement,LOL. The bitterness may not allow some to “feel” like they are being dragged around these blogs but you don’t “feel” the force of gravity but it’s there,lol. Utopian thinking certainly allows some to be selective in what parts of reality they will accept,LOL. If you can’t handle being “LABELED” you NEED to stay off the net….PERIOD. If you can’t handle rejection, I suggest you find a new”hobby”,LMAO.LOL.
Comment by tatted2death on 29 January 2010:
RESPECTFULLY TO ALL READERS OF THIS TOPIC:
PLEASE SCROLL IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN THE ABOVE (2-4) BECAUSE I AM ABOUT TO HANDLE SOME OBVIOUSLY UNFINISHED BUSINESS……THANK YOU.
As I have suspected for sometime now, Bigeyes has fallen for the “game” that Queens was running a LONG time ago. REALLY, really sad. I had never said one harsh word to this woman and nor had I even expressed that she (or anyone else for that matter) leave the blog for good. Again, really, really sad that this beautiful black woman has allowed her mind to be twisted by some dude that gets a sick pleasure from otherS’ discomfort. I am just glad that I am stronger than that and still have much love for bigeyes (always have….I just steered clear of responding to her here because, like I said before, I detected this mess VERY EARLY ON and saw how Queens was twisting things and she was NOT speaking against it…..oh well). I knew the day would come where we would have a debate (over RELIGION….big surprise there…LOL) and it would turn ugly simply because I was not going to allow my genuine respect for her to make me back down (not my style with ANYONE) and then (as ALL dark things do) it comes to LIGHT that there are some deep seated reasons for the venom in the posts as of late…..WOW.
Man, sis, how could you let someone else tell you what is going on with someone else neither of you know personally??? I mean, I could use your tactic and basically “parrot” everything you are saying but what would be the point in that. I am addressing YOU this time because YOU have finally let slip what YOU have been thinking ALL THIS TIME. I thought this might have been the case but I really did hope that you were not following and BELIEVING the words of others here but as you “parrot” the “DUCK” I see that there probably is nothing left to say to you accept I truly do wish you PEACE….not just typing the words but meaning it from the heart. I hope you continue to receive love in whatever form you need it…I would never deny anyone that. And I have NEVER claimed to be perfect but it seems that at the end of the day that means NO ONE should give ANY advice to anyone then….because NO ONE has ALL the answers, right??….again, WOW.
I have never claimed to be “queen” here (oh the irony….LOL). Yes, this has been an internet “home” for me for some time but I am not above sharing…LOL. If I have gotten used to Queens being around why would I have issue with another woman of color finding home here as well??….THAT would be lunacy. I am not here to “compete” with anyone…least of all another “sister”. Sorry to disappoint those that thought that was the case…..(not really….lol).
Sorry for being sooooo far off topic that GPS couldn’t find me, but I had to address that because when something “moves” me I gotta let it out……IT’S the healthy thing to do…..PERIOD.
Hope everyone has a joyous weekend…
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
Comment by tatted2death on 29 January 2010:
And generally speaking, “venom” and hatred usually DO have a limit……. REAL LOVE (not the romantic kind) does not…….EVER. So I cannot AND WILL NOT go at “this” forever (”this” being the mean-spiritedness and non-existent “competition”)….I don’t have that much hatred in me for ANYONE. Hey, I even give Queens “love” from time to time….LOL.
I have spoken my piece on this…..if the CYNICS wants to take it as “game” or whatever that is their right. I guess I shall start to embrace being called the U-word…LOL…..nah…..but I AM OVER IT…..
Peace and Blessings TO ALL
Comment by bigeyes31 on 29 January 2010:
TO ALL READERS,WITH ALL DUE RESPECT PLEASE SCROLL BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY OFF TOPIC BUT HAS TO BE “DEALT” WITH.
Tatted to death implies that I have fallen for “game”,lol. This implies some that there is some trickery involved. I’m FULLY capable of discerning and chosing to agree or disagree with ANY blogger on here. If there is a point made by Mr. L. Queens that produces some evidence,although circumstantial,that gives me a logical reason to agree with that point and say he has the beginnings of a case,that is MY choice and a well-informed one at that.This does not call for or involve ANY need to explain how much “stronger” you are than anyone else,it’s irrelevant unless there is some other “motive(s)”,lol.
The discussion did NOT have to turn into debate over RELIGION due to the original question the blogger asked was not about RELIGION in the first place. I suspected this was a “wave” used to ride in on in order to bring to the surface some “DARK and DEEP-SEEDED” thoughts, AS DARK THINGS OFTEN DO(come to the surface). Wow,sis how can you call someone “sick” for NOT agreeing with you when you don’t know him personally??Again wow, I thought you considered yourself more objective than that…oh well. No, you couldn’t use A tactict such as “parroting” against me due to the fact that the illogical holes that are present in what you say are simply not as gaping in my points. “Parroting” is simply repetiveness and contains no art for taking something that is completely illogical and unrealistic and pointing out those vulnerabilities and then making a very consistent and logical point as I have done. So, as the above clarification points out,you have over-simplified once again.
comment by tattedtodeath on January 25,2010 in the third paragraph and point number one:
“1)It’s a tad bit contradictory to say note that you are being followed and the “speak” to another blogger (calling for “help”…LOL) that has NEVER commented in this thread.”
Comment made by tattedtodeath on January 25,2010 first paragraph:
“Now someone is claiming they are being “followed”….well, when I notice someone “running” to another thread to discuss issues that involved me in another I start to wonder certain things as well…..won’t express my theories here in an attempt to “rise” above the nonsense. If you can’t take someone “responding” to whatever you type here you NEED to stay off the net……PERIOD. Queens “followed” me and I made fun of it as well…glad to see some still maintain a sense of humor.”
For the record, anyone reading my original post that you are referring to, would agree that the post was not “involving you”,but no matter.
I sensed some attempt to “gloss over” some things, so I get ultra “specific” in reponse to this when I notice it so I had to copy and paste(not MY usual style but necessary in this instance). I think it’s sufficient to say that you were VERY clear about what your intentions,motives or what have you, were. To imply that I’m “running” and “calling for help” you also went on to use the word INTIMIDATED, now this says that that YOU “let slip” more than I ever did,lol. No matter, my respect for MYSELF and love for debate would not allow me to back away from inconsistencies in a response such as yours.On this note, this is, in it’s basic form, debating. Debating involves some basic “back and forth” and a level of competition and passion, so how could my saying that “I could go at this forever” be interpreted as “mean-spiritedness” and “hatred for anyone”??? This is a form of debate where as in ANY other debate, relentlessness is appreciated, necessary and even desired. It’s the ONE place where it’s healthy. That was a rhetorical question because I believe I already know that this is only a tactic to “paint a picture” of the opponent,so since I see it a mile away it has no affect on me.
Btw I thought the GPS comment was witty,lol.
Peace but the debate continues.
Comment by tatted2death on 31 January 2010:
There really is NO DEBATE going on here….that much is obvious. What’s the issue???…..my “character”???…..pfft. I am not in here “running for office” nor do I have any promotional agenda to work. So everything in the above post to that effect is utter nonsense . The topic at hand (here and in other threads) is of racial subject matter. Constantly using words and twisting phrases that a person uses (even after they have thoroughly explained them) is NOT an effective “debate” tactic. Come on now, sis…..I offered the olive branch simply because I knew YOU saw this as some sort of “back and forth”/”battle” that I am just not trying to take part in any more. We don’t see eye to eye on most things here but that is not a big deal. I don’t see you being disrespectful so I would rather focus on the positive commonalities. Yet everytime I make an attempt I am called something I am not…..don’t worry I am over that and not “whining”. But when terms like “relentlessness” are used to describe this fiasco I have to really set back and think. That sounds an awful like the flip-side of “dragging” something (or someone) around the blog.
I AM DONE unless someone has something (on topic) to discuss
and NOT finger-pointing and accusations (which started this whole mess….remember this, bigeyes???? —– “I have seen some black women come on here and defend a white man married to a white woman who confesses he is NOW interested in black women(he is still married). He gets a pat on the back and branded “honest” by a black woman.”
No names were used….but those that follow the blog (in VARIOUS threads) knew what you were trying to imply and WHO you were referencing. Was that really necessary to get YOUR point across IN THIS THREAD….again…COME ON, NOW, sis. You basically just regurgitated everything Queens said in the other thread about the situation. I KNOW you are better than that. And you know as well as I do that it IS “sick” to get pleasure from others’ pain (Queens has admitted to this already….pfft)…at the very least it is some sort of deviant behavior that is not consensual (= sick…..lol). I don’t need you or anyone else here to agree with me…..that much has already been proven. Nor do I have to align myself with anyone here to feel “empowered”….LOL. Although, as I have mentioned, I enjoy the “community” here…..PERIOD.
Again, I offer the olive branch because there can be no “victor” in this so-called “form of debate” (Even Queens recognized this with me a LONG time ago….and can only resort to name-calling with me now…which I now see is HIS form of the olive branch….LOL). I believe you are so blinded right now that you didn’t even see that I offered this a long time ago…..awhile back I basically “agreed to disagree”. OH WELL. Hope all remains well with you and yours and that you have continued success in all that you do……sincerely (never saw you as an “opponent”…sorry)
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
Comment by bigeyes31 on 31 January 2010:
I have to disagree with you on the “debate tactic. I voice my disagreement and point out inconsistencies in the points you make plain and simple.Much like any other debate, you KEEP coming on here and EXPLAINING your side. “NOT A DEBATE”,lol,yes sure. Who cares about your character? No one knows you but you,but what you post on this board is up for debate whether “objectiveness” will allow you to accept that or not…not my concern.
Why offer an olive branch?? It is irrelevant here both the offering of it and the accepting.You said yourself that you don’t see me being disrespectful,exactly,I only disagree with what you say,so what need is there for a “peace” offering?? Once again I don’t twist, I just point out holes in your logic,easy enough. I don’t need to regurgitate anything I saw it myself as did many others, thank you. Done with that,lol. I haven’t called you ANYTHING NOT ONCE, so I don’t know what you are talking about.
See, utopian language doesn’t allow for words like relentlessness.President Obama shows a heightened relentlessness in his approach on healthcare or I am relentless in my pursuit of happiness. Only something inside YOU would make that word a bad one. You constanltly keep talking about what the TOPICS are but yet you have not posted on the topic yet,lol. You also said you were “done” several posts ago but again,more inconsistencies,lol. So, I have to say I’m “dragging” you as well,lol.
Comment made by tatted2death
“No names were used….but those that follow the blog (in VARIOUS threads) knew what you were trying to imply and WHO you were referencing. Was that really necessary to get YOUR point across IN THIS THREAD….again…COME ON, NOW, sis. You basically just regurgitated everything Queens said in the other thread about the situation.”
If you wanted to know who I was referring to,all you had to do was ask,lol. How do you know I was referring to YOU unless,YOU are responsible?? Innuendo and subtlety are not so fun are they? I firmly believe in using the “language” that a person speaks. If the shoe fits, tie it up tight. Who is in pain?? You have a whole other problem if you are taking what Mr. L. Queens says personally.Don’t worry, I don’t agree with you. I haven’t “aligned” myself with anyone,lol. See what I mean? You evidently “pick” sides on here;I don’t pick sides. I either agree or disagree, my choice. Where is all this “empowered” talk coming from??? That’s what YOU evidently need,it is called projection,lol.
I hope all is well with you and I also agreed a LONG, LONG time ago and MANY MANY posts ago but everytime I disagree with you seem to have a problem with it….OH WELL, this happens in the real world sometimes.I’m glad you never saw me as an opponent. Honeslty, this is fun and not personal for me.
Peace
Comment by boots on 31 January 2010:
To all… big eyes,tatted,ich,Mr queens I really got a lot of love 4 all u guys and that’s truth.Blk people r so diverse, they had 2 be in order 2 survive, I dont consider myself a troll,I’ve been reading this blog 4 over a yr and similar blogs here and on topix 4 several yrs…But 2 your question( big eyes).. about your choice of who u like on this blog, that’s your business. I like Queens a lot however I do think he should direct his criticisim toward B/M W/F relationships equally. And.. Tatt… as far as(GETTING ON WITH THE GET ALONG)why r black people so willing 2 but things in the past…J
Comment by bigeyes31 on 31 January 2010:
what’s up boots
I have a lot of love for the blogging style of Ichibod(don’t let that cute face fool you,he can set it off in here too,lol),Queens, godiva and even tatted2death and many many more that I have seen on here, they come and go. I simply see this as blogging. I don’t like name-calling though.Everyone in here I hope, are adults and should easily be able to defend themselves or agree or disagree with someone’s posts.I think that’s REAL objectivety.Right, if you like queens and I like queens, and ichibod that’s our choice and shouldn’t be judged as falling for game or less “strong” or considered a internet “troll”.
Comment by boots on 31 January 2010:
sorry people hit the wrong key…..Jewish people never forget the PASSOVER, PURIM FEAST, HOLOCAUST etc. The Catholic Church.the Moslem Religion(Arabs)both Protestant and Baptist Religions Western Europe,Spain Portugaland on and on.Blacks cannot yet afford to but slavery behind them……black enslavement must be a constant reminder of the ramifications of a lack of collective unity strenght and self determination( pg 66
Comment by boots on 31 January 2010:
wow what a dunce(wrong key again)pg 66 BLACK LABOR WHITE WEALTH,CLAUD ANDERSON Ed.D…. Thanks guys
Comment by boots on 31 January 2010:
We r just blk people talking about the issues that touch our lives………I did’nt quite finish my point above ….all the aforementioned..the Moslem Arabs Catholic Church..etc had a hand in the enslavement of blk people..They all should be held accountable too.
Comment by bigeyes31 on 31 January 2010:
Some blacks are always the ones to want to put things in the past while decisions that affect our lives are being made with race in mind. All the other races and cultures celebrate,incorporate and translate their past into their present. Some black people want to live in utopia though singing utopian “spirituals” like “We Are The World” (sarcasm)LOL,while everyone else is strategizing and coming up with a plan for advancement.
Comment by jali on 31 January 2010:
As a black man,i couldn’t agree with you more.Yes, everyone involved in the enslavement of black people should and will be held accountable, including the “Black Africans” who were apart of the systematic structure. No one ever talks of this but the facts are there, Africans, who just happened to be the same color as many of us had heavy involvement in the process.
Comment by boots on 1 February 2010:
big eyes …please share with me what would be your plan 4 advancing our people …4 me after yrs of thinking this whole race thing over and over…I think Iam begining to think in terms of Black Nationalism…..many of Mr queens ideas I share, the little bit of culture that we have managed to keep how will it continue if there is wide spread mixed marriages….Iam not a racist my grandfather was white!…singing spiritual that’s a good one..I bet Ich would have a lot to say about that…lol
Comment by bigeyes31 on 2 February 2010:
boots
In my opinion I think it starts with getting our economics right. I’m not a total fan of capitalism but we live in a capitalistic nation. It all began with the revocation of the forty acres and a mule that was supposed to be given to freed slaves. See that was supposed to be our economic start. Those things that produced some economical strength like land which appreciates, the potential crops that would have turned a profit. That was the beginning of our ability to participate in the power structure of this country.
Comment by tatted2death on 5 February 2010:
Hiya BOOTS…..sorry it’s taken me a bit to get back to you on your query….I’ve been living and loving life a little too much I suppose….tee hee.
Umm….. to be honest I don’t really know why “all” black people are too forgiving (I know I am paraphrasing here….lol). Actually, in my experience, it has been much the opposite. Besides, when I speak of “getting on with the get along”, why must it be assumed that means absolutely NO discussion of race/race relations??? My issue is why are we honestly trying to get blood from a turnip in this case. NO whites alive today owned slaves and NO blacks today ever were slaves. Now if you want to speak of the nepotism and “collars” that some have chosen to implement for themselves then that is a whole other story….and it makes a whole lot more sense to me to tackle the injustices on THAT level. I just have this automatic “shut-down” mechanism whenever I hear people (regardless of race, gender, etc.) go on and on about what “someone else” did to them YESTERDAY…and how it HAS to effect them TODAY When is it going to be time for people to be responsible for themselves and stop putting their happiness/misery on something/someone else???? That is where I am coming from…..a place of SELF-empowerment……PERIOD. I am not going to wait for someone else to “acknowledge” something that is basically seen as FACT. And at the same time I refuse to WASTE TIME on those that dwell in the past/negative void…..without true hope of “seeing the light”. This is just something I do across the board…regardless of SKIN TONE.
I hope this gives you a better and more unbiased view of how I see this….Like I said before, I TOTALLY SEE AND RESPECT your point of view on this.
But I DO wish you ask you this. Seeing the CURRENT state of the so-called “black”….(or any other SINGLE community) would you REALLY be ready, willing and able to accept such an existence that would be brought on by NATIONALISM??? Just honestly wanting to know your BROAD view of this concept….which, as we both know, can be WAAAAY over-simplified at times…..
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
P.S. OH yeah….Thanks bigeyes for UNSUCCESSFULLY attempting to answer the question boots asked OF ME…….LMAO…..yeah, yeah, yeah…..”but it was typed for ALL to see and respond to”……I know, I know…..blah blah….LOL. You and all your utopian talk…..I swear, you are going to make the REAL ones come out….LOL.
Comment by bigeyes31 on 5 February 2010:
Boots, please be aware of what you are dealing with,lol. She is disconnected from “reality” even she admits this she “automatically shuts down”LMAO. I told you…”disconnect” LOL.
Comment by boots on 1 February 2010:
big eyes …please share with me what would be your plan 4 advancing our people …4 me after yrs of thinking this whole race thing over and over…I think Iam begining to think in terms of Black Nationalism…..many of Mr queens ideas I share, the little bit of culture that we have managed to keep how will it continue if there is wide spread mixed marriages….Iam not a racist my grandfather was white!…singing spiritual that’s a good one..I bet Ich would have a lot to say about that…lol
She IMAGINED that you didn’t ASK ME a question and that some how it was “DIRECTED” at her, LOL. I rest my case….LOL.
Comment by tatted2death on 5 February 2010:
“follow the leader”….INDEED!!!
UMMM….since you most obviously need “guidance” I will “show” you….(”CUT AND PASTE QUEEN”…lol)
Comment by bigeyes31 on 31 January 2010:
Some blacks are always the ones to want to put things in the past while decisions that affect our lives are being made with race in mind. All the other races and cultures celebrate,incorporate and translate their past into their present. Some black people want to live in utopia though singing utopian “spirituals” like “We Are The World” (sarcasm)LOL,while everyone else is strategizing and coming up with a plan for advancement.
OOOO…so that was in response to her question “DIRECTED” at YOU?!?!?!……LOL.
This question???!!???!!!? —–”And.. Tatt… as far as(GETTING ON WITH THE GET ALONG)why r black people so willing 2 but things in the past…J”
Ok….slow down…..breathe…..deeply…..
you are just getting SLOPPY now….LOL
Peace, sis….
Comment by bigeyes31 on 5 February 2010:
This woman is CONFUSED…LOL. You are going to have to change you medications….LOL. The post that you copied and pasted,idiot…was an INDEPENDENT POINT made separately from any question that was asked…let me break down for you….I posted point as an AFTERTHOUGHT that had NOTHING TO DO with boots…LOL… you must be getting tired….and we both know tired and crazy don’t mix…LOL.
Ok…open your mouth so I can make sure you are swallowing your pills…we don’t need any more of these episodes…LOL.
Comment by tatted2death on 5 February 2010:
All the “BACK PEDDALING”….no YOU must be tired. And like I said, “Daffy” probably will be cutting the strings pretty soon so you will more than likely disappear after that EMBARASSMENT…..
Independent point????…From where I sit there is not a dayum thing independent about you. But where you “sit” must be plastic and spins like one of those old school toys….must be fun.
I tried to leave well enough alone here…..but OH WELL…..
Comment by bigeyes31 on 5 February 2010:
You DON’T HAVE THE CHOICE TO LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE….I am relentless….OH WELL. No that would be your vibrator…LOL. I don’t do cliques,so no I won’t be agreeing with you…get over it,:-)
Comment by bigeyes31 on 5 February 2010:
LMAO he can’t cut strings that aren’t there…wow your imagining ability has grown because now you can use it outside of Utopia…LMAO
Comment by fenway2k on 5 February 2010:
Here’s the deal:
I am a man first and foremost and in order for me to succeed as a man in this world, I must know what kind of world I live in.
The sad fact is that I live in a world where other people judge me based upon how I look, what I say, how I dress, who I date, my economic situation…on and on.
As a man I can either choose to let all those OPINIONS affect me and dictate how I live, or I can be my own thinking individual, with my own sense of identity, and live my life to the fullest, because that is what I can control.
What I choose to identify myself as should have no bearing on you. Believe me…yours has absolutely no bearing on my life in the slightest.
Black unity can NEVER be achieved through blaming the White man, economics, nor revolution. The tragedy of Blacks is that they act like they are genetically predisposed to being subservient, and resent any attempt by a fellow Black man to rise up.
Example, Asians can come into my neighborhood and open a beauty supply shop selling strictly BLACK products, not Asian or Caucasian, and we will flock there, even having the nerve to ask them about which products are best to use! WTF!!! And we will make them filthy rich.
Now if I choose to open a BLACK-OWNED beauty supply store in the same neighborhood, it’s the first one Blacks want to rob.
Another example, If I wanted to open a corporation where I needed investors, sadly I would have to seek White investors, not because Blacks aren’t qualified or don’t have the money…
But because we will become bitter enemies arguing over who gets to be in charge and why they feel they shouldn’t have to answer to me.
And cut the conversation short because they have to rush to their menial 9 to 5, worried because the boss (Massah) don’t like it when they are late!
The plight of Blacks begins within, on an individual basis. I have to develop my own sense of identity and learn to respect others sense of identity.
Maybe then we can learn to post blogs without feeling a need to put people in their place and get ugly personal when someone says something I don’t agree with.
Comment by boots on 5 February 2010:
Greetings to all……..I swear by my own head..I love all u guys… tatt,bigeyes,Mr fenway2k, Queens,Ich I read your comments all the time. I love blk people,I make no excuses 4 any evildoers blk or white…..to Tatt ,regarding your post if ur able, please read my response to GLASSWING on another blog,where some of my feelings on this subject r shared . Yes I do agree….. BLK NATIONALISM in the USA would be very difficult, it’s been tried b4, and being practiced now by some, but without widespread acceptance .Just what variety, what form should it take, maybe a hybrid? I got a really good response 4 all of u….but right now I got 2 get these taxes done …need that refund.
Comment by boots on 5 February 2010:
to bigeyes… ur correct.. land, money, wealth, the transfer of wealth, political power,and even the perception of power that some blks automatically have of whites ,which may make them (whites) seem more appealling…these things should be explained understood,digested.Let’s talk. ..but I got 2 get those taxes done now…lol
Comment by Ichibod on 6 February 2010:
I don’t like Black Nationalism… so called. Booker T Washington had the best idea, in my opinion. It was sort of a seperate, but equal kind of thing. He started so many agricultural and mechanical (A&M) universities so we could focus on growing our own food and running our own factories developing goods for ourselves and anyone else that would buy from us. I believe the reason black nationalism would be difficult today, as it was before, is because we can’t get the premise across without people finding and feeling hatred and bias toward other races, primarily WHITES. I know where the answer to this problem lies, but I’m not gonna start that whole discussion over again. I was just thinking about the “40 acres and the mule” thing the other day. Ofcourse, trying to nag the government for it now would be pointless, but have you priced a 40 acre lot? There are many black people that can afford it or families that can put up that kind of money, not to mention celebrities. Lots are even sold and auctioned on eBay. For one, the record industry (rap and R&B) needs to be destroyed. Blacks with microphones have the chance to speak to millions and aren’t saying anything. That’s the opportunity to educate the masses on a master plan for us to advance. Tupac talked about how scary it was to be on stage in front of 10,000 people ready and willing to do whatever he told them to do. And all these millions of kids are being told to do is to “Superman that ho”. It hurts, it really does.
Comment by boots on 7 February 2010:
To ….Ich,yes blk nationalism would be a hard sell,we need land to have a nation.This was a big debate in the 60s with MalcoLm X,the Panthers, Carmichael and even prior,with Du Bois,Garvey and Washington in the early 1900s.Why can’t we have a type of nationalisim that suggests a love for ourselves with the absence of hate for others.Surley as a christian you could feel the longing that the Apostle Paul had for his own people the Jews in Romans chapter 10.1 . to fenway2k..blk unity can be achieved through acknowlegement of truth i.e undestanding history ,if there is blame then it should’nt be shielded…Yes unity can come through revolution but not in the sense that the word connotes,but a revolution in mindset,aspirations, in thought, with a new focus on the spiritual non material things.With a love and devotion to one’s own people, in light of the common burden of racisim in it’s subtle forms borne by all blks. to Tatt……an example of something that happened yesterday having an affect on us today,( the Homestead act of 1862 represented America’s last great land policy…..this act remained in effect until 1900 and provided 400,000 to 600,000 white families with homes and farms,most of the land went to speculators who aquired claims to rich western lands, timber, and mineral rights that led to great wealth.Blacks were unable to aquire any of this land wealth….. No one had spent more time tending land than blacks certainly not European immigrants,yet not even free blacks were allowed to participate in the famous land rush West)..BLACK LABOR WHITE WEALTH..CLAUD ANDERSON,Ed.D powernomics Corp.pg 129
Comment by boots on 7 February 2010:
I guess what Iam trying to say to everyone albeit in a long winded way……our lives ,our outlook on life, the way we think ,perception,the way we view each other,how we react to one another,is shaped by our environment ,not entirely but in a great measure. Whites have shaped the environment of blacks in this country since the first slaves arrived in the early 1600s .Through slavery of course,Jim Crowism and all sorts of laws that resulted in social engineering.Has brought us today to a state or status of disadvantage.For sure with individual effort and determined faith /hope one may prevail,but by in large blks carry an extra burden.I dont seek to change the mind and heart of the white world only God can do that ….instead give me something concrete tangible,my spirit and soul will be repaired when my great grand parents will be restored that which was stolen.Their posterity will accept in their behalf the long overdue reparations …thank u all
Comment by Ichibod on 7 February 2010:
Thank you, Boots. That’s exactly what I meant and why I hurt for our people. I was busy battling some racist, voodoo priestest in another topic.
Romans 8:6 “For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.”
Yes, the Apostle Paul WAS briliant.
James brown mentioned in a song about getting some land, growing our food like “the man”, save our money like the mob, put up a fight down on the job. But people choose to only hear “I’m black and I’m proud!” and say it louder than growth and education.
Comment by fenway2k on 7 February 2010:
To Boots:
Not disagreeing with you in the slightest. But you are teaching theory, talking in abstract.
I am simply stating why your theory will never be realized among Blacks.
Isn’t it amazing how other nationalities can take those same theories you preach and make it work for them?
Regardless of the state of the union here, other minorities have unified and carved a niche for themselves. Middle Eastern minorities have cornered the market on convenience stores and the hotel/motel industry. Asians rule the beauty supply market, and the Hispanics are in charge in the manual labor/construction market. They came over here, made sacrifices ( 50 living in the same house/ only buying from their own) and are now successful to a certain degree. They didn’t seem to pay attention to their opposition or stereotypes and excuses, just did what they had to do.
You seem to have ignored the examples I gave…may I ask why?
Comment by boots on 8 February 2010:
To fenway2k……….I love ur fire bro…..But it’s not fair to lump blk americans together with other so called disadvantaged groups ,what other group had their status predetermined by a national policy.Asians, Hispanics,Indians,and middle Eastern minorites have a preferred status over blks and a higher social acceptability, moreover these groups were never mistreated as blks were by government policy.100 percent of our ancestors were here before most of the ancestors of all the other groups, yet white america still has not been willing to assimulate blks.All these groups that u have listed none have carried the burden of slavery and jim crowism.”As Asians and Hispanics find places in the economy they are allowed to move upward on social and occupational ladders”(Two Nations:Black and White Separate Hostile and Unequal)Andrew Hacker historian……Blks have had no such options….These groups have also piggybacked on the blk civil rights movement with affirmative action legislation ,accomadation went to white women ,Hispanic, Asian and the handicapped ahead of blacks.Blks should not be included in the same minority category as these other groups b/c they were never( by statute) deprived by the government of their humanity and the right to enjoy the fruits of their own labor…With all respect to you my bro…you seem to imply in your last statements that blk people are not willing to sacrifice and they make excuses while paying attention to sterotypes.. I disagree….we should talk one day concerning, the ethics of hard work and the myth of hard work…When you say I am teaching theory….if that means speculation, again I disagree, history when properly understood is’nt speculation, when you say abstract, if that means not concrete …I again disagree, here’s something that’s not abstract (in 1860 blk americans owned and controlled approximately 1/2 of 1% of the nations wealth.By 1990 blks owned and controlled 1 1/2 of 1% of the nations wealth……..you think systemic racisim maybe the reason………………..to Ich…..I know you carry a real burden for blk people… all people and you and I both know who has the real truth…keep me in your prayers….thank u
Comment by tatted2death on 9 February 2010:
I love you too, boots……
…..I have TRUE love for ANY man/person that has some integrity and can speak from the heart….so few of us do these days. Everyone’s putting up some front or some other bullshyt.
Isn’t it just wonderful how you “brothers” can speak so peacefully amongst yourselves??? The only other thing I could ask for is that you extend a little bit of that to the “sisters”……regardless of her SKIN TONE or dating choices she possibly deserves a little bit of that love as well…
NOTICE: I said “possibly” because I know TRUE sellouts exist (IN MANY FORMS) and until they can leave the ones “they DON’T want” out of their mouths, they need a different kind of “love” (self, maybe).
Peace and Blessing
tatted2death
Comment by tatted2death on 9 February 2010:
….and even all this is “off-topic”(lol)…I truly appreciate your spirit, boots (and, of course, fenway and Ich) and yes, I did get a chance to read the other threads where you posted. Alot of your points make much sense and I can see where you are coming from much clearer……thanks..
Peace
Comment by bigeyes31 on 9 February 2010:
@boots, sorry I’ve been enjoying the fruits of the “who dat” party,lol.
You make some excellent points. Blacks have not had the same tax breaks for starting a business the way other minorities have. Blacks have been disenfranchised on so many levels that the playing field is nowhere equal. Other minorities can network with each other because they don’t lock anyone out but blacks. For example, the beauty supply industry the Indians network and reveal their suppliers to the orientals but will not allow blacks to know. Yes, we can work hard and achieve but frankly we have to work harder and often on our own.I think it goes back to making amends. In this country the japanese were given an apology and some amendments for being placed in internment camps, the Jews are respected and protected because of the U.S. not responding in a timely manner to the holocaust, the Native-americans still have laws that are different from the U.S. laws and are enforced by this government, they get to attend college for free without loans or grants, and then there are the casinos. Everyone has been given “SOMEHTING” to ease their transitions to success. I’m not saying blacks should always be looking for a “handout” but if you are already giving “handups” to other races of people, why not be fair?
Comment by bigeyes31 on 10 February 2010:
Isn’t wonderful how utopia makes peoples’ personality change from day to day. All this talk of “brothers can speak so peacefully amongst themselves”,lol. Oh my god and the”could you extend a little of that to the “sisters”,LOL. Cybil’s in one of her OTHER PERSONALITIES,LOL. That’s the ONLY way someone having behaved the way they have could have the audacity to even talk like that. They are someone else from day to day,LOL.
Comment by tatted2death on 13 February 2010:
on the bra strap again I see…..why not worry about your own “image” here???
Comment by tatted2death on 13 February 2010:
I speak the way I do here because I represent MYSELF and no one else. I have the right to have different opinions and address different people in the manner in which THEY respond. This doesn’t make one a “CYBIL” as you put it. But again if “following” me around this blog and putting down any and ALL of my comments makes your day, I say have at it……but it sure tells ALOT about YOU.
Maybe “Daffy”…(which I have EARNED the right to call him as such….being called MANY names by him)…has been filling your head with too much hot air these days……REALLY has you “feeling” yourself a little too much. Masking does NOT equal self-esteem…..sorry.
Have a good ONE…
Peace and Blessings
tatted2death
P.S. Oh yeah, “Ms. Unassimilated”, how was the SUPERBOWL party that you had to get all “glammed up” for….LOL.
Comment by bigeyes31 on 13 February 2010:
Imagination, imagination…following YOU around the bloggs….Ha ha..what a joke. Projecting does NOT equal strength. Using….utopian psychology and “buzz” words doesn’t get you anywhere but at home being jealous that someone else had a Superbowl party to go to and date to take them,LOL. People must realize that “marking” ones skin doesn’t build ones self-esteem but only mask the pain of being “ordinary”….sorry,LOL. One must accept one’s skin NATURALLY as it is,LOL. Utopia doesn’t allow for such “excesses” after all EVERYONE IS THE SAME…LOL
P.S. I have ALWAYS “felt” myself loooong before I came to this blog….and I shall continue to do so…:-)
Comment by bigeyes31 on 13 February 2010:
I think it’s awfully sad that “sisterly” love doesn’t want another “sister” to get “glammed up”. I love being a woman who wears boots with stiletto heels and perfumes. I didn’t know that being in the “sistahood” meant you couldn’t be a woman…LOL. Sorry, I like “johnsons”…LMAO.
“BALANCED” yeah, RIGHT
Comment by wonka on 22 February 2010:
Micheli is so right,I’m Trinidadian/Irish you don’t
see me going public about it or the WHITE man maki-
ng his way to my house to interview me.Of course
I’m not rich and famous like Halle Berry or any of
the other KNOWN!! bi-racial people in the world.Who
cares who’s what and what who is!!!???,I’ll tell you who,the WHITE people care,that is when it’s beneficiary for them.We need to stop this crap,it
doesn’t matter,I see bi-racial as bi-racial,but,if
your part of the minority then bottomline your part of an ethnic group,those are the facts.