Posted by Ria, September 16th 2009

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How many White people are nice? (Almost all) (A lot) (Some) (Not many) (None)

How many Black people are nice? (Almost all) (A lot) (Some) (Not many) (None)

These are the questions that Birgitte Vittrup of the Children’s Research Lab at the University of Texas asked Caucasian children between 5 and 7 years of age as a Racial Attitude Measure. Other 20 adjectives used to replace “nice” were adjectives like “dishonest,” “pretty,” “curious,” and “snobby.”

Vittrup sent a third of the families home with multiculturally themed videos for a week, such as an episode of Sesame Street in which characters visit an African-American family’s home, and an episode of Little Bill, where the entire neighborhood comes together to clean the local park… a second group of families got the videos, and Vittrup told these parents to use them as the jumping-off point for a discussion about interracial friendship…The last third were also given the checklist of topics, but no videos. These parents were to discuss racial equality on their own, every night for five nights.

Of the last group, 5 families quit the study and two pointed out clearly that they weren’t ready to have such conversations with their children. “We don’t want to point out skin color,” they said. Much as they knew the study was about children’s racial attitudes, parents started quitting once they were aware that the study required talking openly about race.

Parents claim to embrace multiculturalism, but according to Vittrup’s entry surveys, most of these Caucasian parents hardly ever talked to their children directly about race. “They might have asserted vague principles—like “Everybody’s equal” or “God made all of us” or “Under the skin, we’re all the same”—but they’d almost never called attention to racial differences.”

Parents wanted their children to grow up ‘colorblind’, but the initial test showed they weren’t.

Asked how many white people are mean, these children commonly answered, “Almost none.” Asked how many blacks are mean, many answered, “Some,” or “A lot.” Even kids who attended diverse schools answered the questions this way… More disturbing, Vittrup also asked all the kids a very blunt question: “Do your parents like black people?” Fourteen percent said outright, “No, my parents don’t like black people”; 38 percent of the kids answered, “I don’t know.”

However much we want our children to grow in a race-free vacuum, clearly, children do draw their own conclusions about race. Apparently, according to child-development researchers, children notice racial differences as much as they notice the difference in other colors.

University of Texas, Rebecca Bigler thinks its important to talk to children about race as early as 3 because even if we don’t, children are prone to form their own preferences and favoritisms based on the group they think they belong to. Below is the experiment she carried out:

…4- and 5-year-olds were lined up and given T shirts. Half the kids were randomly given blue T shirts, half red. The children wore the shirts for three weeks. During that time, the teachers never mentioned their colors and never grouped the kids by shirt color.

The kids didn’t segregate in their behavior. They played with each other freely at recess. But when asked which color team was better to belong to, or which team might win a race, they chose their own color. They believed they were smarter than the other color. “The Reds never showed hatred for Blues,” Bigler observed. “It was more like, ‘Blues are fine, but not as good as us.’ ” When Reds were asked how many Reds were nice, they’d answer, “All of us.” Asked how many Blues were nice, they’d answer, “Some.” Some of the Blues were mean, and some were dumb—but not the Reds.

Bigler says differences in skin color, weight or hair color are kinda like differences in gender – clearly visible. Even when we refuse to point them out, just like children used t-shirts colors, they will use skin color in the same kind of way.

Bigler contends that children extend their shared appearances much further—believing that those who look similar to them enjoy the same things they do. Anything a child doesn’t like thus belongs to those who look the least similar to him. The spontaneous tendency to assume your group shares characteristics—such as niceness, or smarts—is called essentialism.

So when do children begin to notice race? When 100 black children and 100 white children were shown photos of faces, Phyllis Katz, then a professor at the University of Colorado found that at 6 months, babies “stare significantly longer at photographs of faces that are a different race from their parents indicating they find the face out of the ordinary…children’s brains are noticing skin-color differences and trying to understand their meaning.”

When the kids turned 3, Katz showed them photographs of other children and asked them to choose whom they’d like to have as friends. Of the white children, 86 percent picked children of their own race. When the kids were 5 and 6, Katz gave these children a small deck of cards, with drawings of people on them. Katz told the children to sort the cards into two piles any way they wanted. Only 16 percent of the kids used gender to split the piles. But 68 percent of the kids used race to split the cards, without any prompting. In reporting her findings, Katz concluded: “I think it is fair to say that at no point in the study did the children exhibit the Rousseau type of color-blindness that many adults expect.”

We talk openly to children about pink being for girls and blue being for boys. So, if babies notice differences in skin color as early as the tender age of 6 months, why do we leave the “white” and “black” issue for them to figure out on their own? Do we make things better? REALLY? Should parents call attention to race when with their children?

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77 Responses to “Do kids judge others based on skin color?”

  1. shotgun007 says:

    What makes you say that, lizzy2005?

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  2. NOPLAYER says:

    The election of an AA president, promoting a few AA’s to CEO positions and a few AA’s holding office in majority white districts are positive signs of progress within certain areas but the progress in the mentality of both BLK and WHT still has a way to go.

    This Justice of The Peace in Louisiana and his refusal to marry the IR couple proves that despite advancement in the fields of business, politics and academia, there’s still alot of work to be done.

    With so much going on in the world, I’m not too much worried about the hang-ups of a few people and their twisted ways of thinking.

    MSNBC? What a joke!

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  3. smiletellsit says:

    Glock on your 10-4-09, I agree with what you said about black men, and it’s true, but remember, my focus is just white men and black women. And since I’m the women and experience what these white guys are saying, I know from where I speak.

    I disagree with your presidential comments. All the change has been good, IMHO, because it is creating the very dialogue we are having, which ultimately creates a better understanding for all.

    I understand what you’re saying about being able to criticize the President, and you still can. What people are calling racist is the subtext of the comments by those who are truly racist. Comments that clearly don’t make sense and are loaded with resentment that now the most powerful office on the planet is held by a mixed person who looks black. I’m sure you’ve been on the other end of racism, when someone hated you just because you are white and criticized you from that mindset. It’s that. Your comment about “none of it good” is one of those comments that seems loaded. Is NONE of it good, are are there some things that are good? There have been a lot of good things that came about of President Obama being elected by the American people. And there have been some bad things. But really, the change is what so many people are uncomfortable with. When it was a white male president, there were things we had to just accept. Now, we have to apply the same entitlements of a white male president to this presidency. Note how the First Lady is ridiculed and even called an ape!! They would have never said that about Nancy Reagan or Laura Bush. Come on, be honest. That’s just mean and highly disrespectful to the lady who holds the highest office in the land. So please consider that. Thanks for your comment.

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  4. smiletellsit says:

    Noplayer on 10-6-09, good point. Couldn’t have said it better.

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  5. Glock says:

    Smiletellsit, as far as commenting about the president, there is a double standard here. For example, Bush was accused for being racist for not doing enough after hurricane Katrina. Think Obama would have got the same treatment? Hardly, in fact there wouldn’t have even been a story about how Obama didn’t “do much to help”.

    When Bush was president we have unemployment of 4.7% and the media talked about what a recession we were in. Today, the unemployment rate is MORE THAN DOUBLE that at 10.2% and all we hear is how the economy is RECOVERING!!! Holy cow! Hell Obama even got a NOBLE PEACE PRIZE for doing what? The voting took place in February and they talked about his work as president and at that time he had been in office for 11 DAYS!!!

    Change? What has he done that is good? Go ahead name something, but when you do, tell me and explain to me how what he did was constitutional. That is how I judge every president. I used the same standard for all the presidents not just Obama. So many people want to accuse whites of being racist when they disagree with or criticize Obama, simply unture.

    As far as Mrs. Obama, what “office” exactly does she hold? Being married to the president is not an office.

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  6. homesteader says:

    ” First Lady ” and she was elected by the President of the United States of America / There is No Greater Position in this country . He has the Last word .

    My Last words on this subject and my Position remains under the Love of the Greatest Woman in my World . Will be ; Love it or Leave it .

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  7. homesteader says:

    P.S.

    and you can rest Assured / that She is constantly talking with Our President Obama as he Listens to her about the affairs of the World .

    The United States of America is just a small part of an ever changing world of today .

    Glock when you hold the post of President / Your words will be Listened to also .

    I can see it now , Elect Glock / Whurr for Change of the way this country has Failed them .

    Heck , I will be your Campaign Manager . Alas I can Knot get you a Noble Peace Prize / you have to Earn that .

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  8. whurr says:

    @Glock

    Would Obama have gotten the same treatment about Katrina?

    Being called a racist, obviously not! With Bobby Jindal in place right now, you know as well as I do that there would have been a conservative ‘think-tank’ wondering what could possibly be used to thwart Obama in the next election. Jindal is a ‘golden child’ of sorts for the Repubs.

    As far as your unemployment and recession comments, a recession is generally 2 quarters of negative GDP or a 1.5% increase in unemployment over 12 months ( all depends which side you want to listen to). Bush was responsible for both.

    The man is the only president EVER in the history of the United States to pass EVERY single spending bill that came before him. He was supposed to be fiscally conservative, McCain was massively embarrassed. Now you have Obama doing the same thing but in condensed form. Maybe he is jealous that Bush signed it all, so he figured he would get it done in a shorter period of time.

    The unemployment rate in Jan 2008 was 4.9% and in Jan 2009 when he left it was 7.6% . That is a HUGE 2.7% in 12 months. ALL of that was on his watch, considering that he owned the rates for the 8 years prior without any intervention from Obama. Bush was given a 4% rate from Clinton.

    If you want to play numbers, the unemployment rate doubled during the BUSH era, from 4% to 7.6%

    There is no doubt that Obama’s current deal with 10.2% is a nightmare. The unemployment has gone 2.6% higher in a short period of time.

    Do you want to blame the 2.6% in 10 months on Obamas policies ( I would answer… ‘What are they exactly?’) or are you bold enough to say that this is a continuation of the increase that was started in Bush’s last year in office?

    If you don’t believe that Bush had anything to do with this rate, then if it goes down to a reasonable number within 3 years, will you be saying it was ‘All because of Obama’ or will you be saying that ‘Bushs policies from 06-07 finally kicked in’

    I get so sick of pointing fingers and using misleading statistics. I want Obama to be successful, not because he is a democrat ( thats just like saying ‘only because he is black’) , but because there are so many people suffering right now. Unfortunately, not everyone is willing to sacrifice time and efforts because of fears that they may be next on the ‘chopping block’. We have all become defensive of our ‘own’.

    As far as your constitutional comments, there are checks and balances in place, I know you know that. Its currently skewed to the left with some teeter-tottering happening state to state.

    Isn’t that why Ron Paul was such a hot commodity for a bit?

    Anyway, my political bias is neither here nor there just like my church affiliation.

    ‘This is not a paid political commentary and in no way was I on drugs or alcohol when I created this. Send all money for WHURR for Prez 2012 to ME!’

    Isn’t there anybody moderate (willing to change views if someone has valid points) anymore with an incredible sense of fiscal conservatism??

    Oh yeah..ME ! ME for PREZ 2012

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  9. homesteader says:

    Glock ;

    Former President William Clinton had sexual affairs with the help in his own house during his administration . He had balanced books on his watch / he was on the phone with the Russian Leader , when Monica showed Appreciation for his job Well done . God Bless the man and Hillary stayed with him and I admire her for that .

    Quit constantly complaining about what important things people do and get a Positive outlook on their Accomplishments in Life .

    Probably his business / alas he still Earned the title of President and all Former Presidents should be Recognized in print by their proper titles by American Citizens .

    Lack of Total Respect for these men show ignorance in my eyes .

    When President Bush was in office I wrote President prior to his name / now I address him as Former President Bush because this title was duly Earned by him .

    I even call our garbagemen by the title ” Sir ” when I talk to them .

    Meanwhile children taught at a young age to Respect all others / will in older years never forget . We are all just people and at these younger ages in these surveys only learn what our parents feel we need to learn , They do knot need Negative thoughts of old Bigots . We are try ing to Change this world for the Betterment of all people . Thus as told earlier in this blog / it is the parents who create and have the problems .

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  10. Glock says:

    Whurr, when I used the example of Katrina, (I perhaps wrongly assumed) people would know I was referring to if the races of the people living in NO were white and Obama was president at that time. I didn’t know I’d have to spell everything out.
    As far as Bobby Jindal, in some corners of the Republican party I suppose he is lauded as some kind of a “savior” as sorts, however among conservatives, he is not. He quite frankly is a horrible public speaker and really has pretty much the same message as most republicans (more government).

    As far as “think tanks”….there are always “think tanks” from both sides trying to figure out how to “dethrone” whoever is in office. That is not just a republican think. Move-on, Acorn are a couple examples.

    As far as recessions go, yes I’m aware of how a recession is calculated, however, I’m also aware the mainstream press were calling the economy a recession WELL before it technicaly was. Think they would do that for Obama? NOT! In fact they are saying the economy is in recovery!

    Unemployment: Neither Bush or Obama is “responsible” for unemployment per se. They happen to occupy the white house and are 1 branch of the federal government. So you cannot say that Bush was “responsible” for both, it simply is not true.

    Bush did not sign the stem research bill that congress put in front of him, but as far as the rest of your assertion of signing everything else, you’re pretty much right on, that INCLUDES the bills the democrats put in front of him to sign!! Don’t forget that! Only to be lambasted BY the democrats for spending so much!! LOL

    Also Bush was not given a 4.00% unemployment rate by Clinton, the lowest rate during the Clinton years was 4.10%, but not when the torch was passed to Bush. In fact, the media mostly ignored the fact that Bush inherited a recession from CLINTON when he took office.

    The unemployment figures are also quite askew, since many people who are out of work are not counted as part of the unemployment data. Those who’s unemployment has run out are not counted in the figure. In Michigan, the unemployment is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the national average, well over 15%. We have a heavily democratic state government to thank for that.

    The unemployment rate during Obama’s tenure so far has risen about 36% not “2.6%” as you state. I would also say that the national average under Obama has doubled as well despite what the “official” government report is.

    The reason people are suffering is because we’ve had a government that believes when there is a problem with the economy that government is supposed to “Do something”, that is totally wrong. The government’s job under the Constitution is NOT to do anything because they don’t have the power to.

    Whurr, when it comes to government and economics, I’m not ignorant as unfortunately most Americans are. Most Americans quite frankly don’t pay attention or even care about political matters even though it affects them tremendously. There is more loyalty to a party rather than a principle in this country (both parties are equally guilty)

    As far as Obama’s “success”, if he continues down this road, which quite frankly is socialism, then yes, I hope he fails and fails miserably. If he changes his stance and starts to embrace a free market, capitalist system then I would be totally behind him. I don’t see it happening. He has in his cabinet and pool of “czars” devout communists! Where was the uproar over that? The press never batted an eye like it was no big deal. This is where Obama’s mind is at.

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  11. Glock says:

    Homesteader,…um, ok.

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  12. deewhizz says:

    As far as Obama and Bush, Bush was the worst prez ever because he was an idiot, not because he was white. Too many specifics to list, I knew it would be disaster but I greatly underestimated how much damage he was capable of. And some things, such as 9/11 and Katrina almost made it seem as though he had a jinx on him that he passed to us during the eight yrs and then took off.
    I mean, a once in a century storm while we had him behind the wheel?

    There was no one behind the wheel.

    When the storm hit(after 3 days of forecasting a Cat5 direct hit he claimed he didn’t know about and was briefed on by “Brownie”) GWB was at a fundraiser in CA.

    When the Superdome was all over the news, floating bodies et al and I was actually considering going to Sam’s, getting all the cases of water that would fit in my truck and hitting I-10(I lived in Tucson which is on I-10), Bushie was just north of me in Phoenix at John McCain’s b-day party having cake.

    I mean seriously?)

    Obama can only go up from there. He has GWB to thank for leaving such a mess that the country freaked out and elected a man of mixed-race whose middle name is Hussein, what great timing!:)

    After those 8 yrs, I would have considered electing a ham sandwich had it been on the ballot.
    If GWB had only listened to his own father instead of Darth Cheney we wouldn’t be in half this mess. Bush Sr. was not my cup of tea but he was no moron. He sent the collection plate around the world 1st for cash(instead of charging it like jr.)
    and got us in and out of Desert Storm FAST.
    Lord why not Jeb, why? Its so obvious he’s the smart brother:)

    I certainly wouldn’t vote for BO because he was blk, how could I?
    He’s only half, which half am I voting 4?

    On Topic;
    Yes of course children do notice skin color and I don’t know if someone mentioned this but there was a “doll test” in which children of different races were shown white and black dolls and the majority of the children(including the blk ones sadly)preferred the white doll, and if questioned further were more likely to have use negative language in describing how they felt about the blk doll.

    I have 3 children of mixed race and I must say I have been surprised by how many strangers approach to tell me how beautiful they are.

    I dont talk to my children directly about the color of their skin except to say that it’s perfect:)
    They are 5 and under but very bright and its quite clear Mommy, Daddy, and kiddies all have different shades of skin although amazingly all 3 of them are the exact same golden caramel tone.

    But the compliments are nice 2 hear, and I think attitudes are changing. I’m not sure so many people would have been comfortable approaching me in the past.

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  13. WHURR says:

    @Glock

    We could do this all day… this is my last message on this because I think everyone will fall asleep.

    Bush replaced the stem cell funding bill with an alternative that spent the same amount. So if you want to point out the ONE spending bill he didn’t allow, please make it clear that he still wanted to spend the money, but for his stem cell beliefs. He wasn’t doing it to be fiscally conservative by any means. He had a back up plan with Sen. Isakson from Georgia. He wasn’t doing it to save us money, he wanted to continue spending.

    A president IS responsible for the unemployment rate because their economic policies guide the business practices within the US and dictate our standing in the world economy as well. So I know that you are aware, that YES a president is responsible for the unemployment rate. If they weren’t responsible, we wouldn’t start asking the question, ‘What the hell is Obama doing to get the unemployment rate down?’ If Bush and Obama are not responsible for the rate getting to that point, then everybody needs to stop asking that question. Its not worth discussing the unemployment rate and Obama if Obama’s policies don’t influence the rate tremendously. They do… and we do! I know he is not the sole reason, but he is the major reason, as Bush was and he should be responsible as well.

    My points are neither here nor there in terms of labels, those being liberal or conservative. I could play devil’s advocate and conterpoint each and every thing you said. I am not going to do that because we would turn this board into a political commentary. You post replies straight from Anne Coulter’s ‘trash a liberal’ ideals.

    I have never been one to vote on party lines. I took a very long hard look at Ron Paul, due to his constitutional writings. Someone producing pieces worthy of academia, gets my interest before a political pundit who makes a living of publishing facts that are half-truths.

    The only thing that I will say to close this point is that the unemployment figures can be ‘imagined’ or we can use the Dept of Labor. You clearly have to state the truths and if you want what is reported, you have to use the Dept of Labors stats.

    The unknowns are clearly that. We tried to get a number of illegal aliens for the immigration debate and undocumented is just that, undocumented. Pundits love increasing or decreasing those numbers for their own benefit.

    http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?series_id=LNS14000000

    Bush did inherit a 4% unemployment rate.

    The rate doubled during his tenure.

    Obama’s rate has not gone up 36%.
    Under Obama, the rate has gone up 2.6%. The quantity of people, now thats another issue. I am wondering if you meant 3.6%. You can’t quantify a percent with a percent increase of the percent.

    I am aware of the uncounted people. I think it is ironic that conservatives have decided that those ‘uncounted’ should have a voice from them… somewhat liberal idea! They would make FDR proud!

    If the ideas you have posted are your own, Glock more power to you for actually caring. If they came from an Anne Coulter book, they sound like sound bites and can be destructive. All of the political commentary books are so biased and create ‘political hatred’ and that includes Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Al Franken, Michael Moore etc. I am sick and tired of books pushing political beliefs instead of straight constitutional debates. I refuse to lower my intelligence by reading any more books based off political party allegiance.

    As for my views, I challenge and show no favoritisms to one party or another. I show favoritisms to a belief system. I do believe, that from your past writings, we share the common belief that most of where we are at with this country is due to a lack of following what the forefathers started, which is a government run off a moral fiber based on Christian values.

    For that one belief, we can disagree on all the others and smile.

    My bantering on this topic is done!

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  14. Observer says:

    ditto Deewhizz on your comments about GWB and Pres O! Darth Cheney indeed – he is still insistent on trying to repair the death star and have it operational prior to the next election… lol

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  15. homesteader says:

    Hurricanes Rita 2005 and Ike 2008 / Look to God for these , he creates the weather and destroyed the Facade of our local church at his will [ God's will be Done , Amen ] .

    Katrina hit New Orleans which is under sea level during stormsurges . These other two about the same time damaged Texas and points North .

    Heard people died from Hurricane Ike as far North as Ohio . Our alligator population in Southeast Texas suffered because of the salt water being pushed so far inland .

    Our Presidents in no way cause these Hot Air Storms , Let them eat cake and Personally a Ham sandwich sounds good at this time .

    Children ; Which of you wants cheese on your sandwich ? Here is some fresh water and Chips .

    Let’s sit together and watch a movie while we eat them ,LOL .

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  16. homesteader says:

    Yes the old political Bigots with no Respect for our President and Former Presidents did not read the Blog Topic .

    As children they were knot taught to play together .

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  17. homesteader says:

    Reading these blog topic comments / I see where some are attempting to Lower the intelligent of Our other readers .

    Whurr ; I fail to be able to sleep with worry you boys could be elected to office / that is the American way . Hehe .

    Children Behave / Thank you for your last message .

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  18. Glock says:

    Whurr whurr whurr, sigh…

    I guess since that was your “last” post on this I guess I get the last word then huh?

    You contradict yourself over and over. Look at your previous posts…..go ahead scroll up. You take exception to my pointing our under Obama’s watch unemployment increased about 36% from 7.6% to 10.2%, yet in the same post you say that under Bush unemployment “Doubled” from 4.00% to 7.6!! What gives? Double standard? Using your math an increase in unemployment from 4.00% to 7.6% is a 100% increase but when the president is Obama, an increase from 7.6% to 10.2% isn’t 36% it’s just an increase of 2.6% LOL

    Stem cell research? If you read my post I AGREED with you on what he signed (just about everything in front of him)I just pointed out one thing he didn’t. You took that one point as though I’m defending Bush! Please! I am by no means a Bush “defender” or a republican.

    As much as you want to blame the president for the unemployment numbers I will still disagree. Just because you say it’s because of his “policies” doesn’t mean a thing. All laws have to come from congress, period. Now, Obama’s own personal “policy” may be something different than what comes out of congress and he may choose to not sign it, but his “policy” can’t be enacted without coming from congress. Otherwise, why bother with going through congress in the first place? Of course he could do like Bill Clinton who, when he didn’t get his way in congress, signed executive order after executive order (more than any president in history)

    LOL, just because people may be asking “What is Obama doing to bring the unemployment rate down”? Doesn’t mean Obama is responsible for it. Are you serious when you say that?? Most people have no clue about economics or what causes economic downturns. Economic downturns can usually be traced back to government intervention including ours. We have a transition going on right now from a capitalist system to a European socialist system which has the business community what will be next. Uncertainty rules in America.

    Just for the record, I do not have nor have I read any of Ann Coulter’s books. I do however agree with much of her opinions, as well as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. And no I don’t have any of their books either. But then I guess if I agreed with someone from the left then for you my opinions would be “acceptable” because they are from the “right” source.

    If having a “straight constitutional debate” is what you want, then try reading it. Where in the constitutional does it give the power to Obama to do the things he wants to? Where does it give congress the power to nationalize healthcare? I could go on and on as well. But I think you want your opinions to be “accepted” by those here on this site as well as in your inner circle so you spout the party line instead of coming up with your own thoughts on this topic.

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  19. WHURR says:

    Glock Glock Glock… you assume I voted for Obama? I will just mention only things that I felt were personal, leave out the political attacks.

    You left out the names of Michael Moore and Al Franken I see. Notice, I didn’t just mention right-wingers I cringe at the left-wingers as well.

    I didn’t make a mistake when I said the ‘unemployment rate doubled’ I didn’t say that the unemployment rate ‘went up 100%’. That would be 104%. You can refer to the rate as a standard or an actual number. The number doubled the actual standard did not get a 100% increase.

    I just wanted to say that mathematically you can talk about a rate doubling or tripling, but you don’t refer to the rate increasing by 36% unless it went from 4% to 40%.

    I don’t want to kill the subject, but believe me when I tell you that its mathematically correct to refer to the rates in that manner, and not by a percentage increase unto themselves. You are referring to the number doubling when you actually say the rate doubled. You still have to use that number against the base that it is being referred to.

    To put it gently, you could say that ‘the quantity of people on unemployment has increased by 36% since Obama took office’. Now that…I will give you kudos for saying correctly….if its true.

    I am well versed in the constitution, I have read it. There was no need for that remark. I never said anything regarding constitional writings until I mentioned Ron Paul. I have no clue why you ended it with ‘you should try to read it’ . I never praised Obama, or Bush for that matter, as being great constitutionalists.

    As I said earlier, you definitely are assuming I voted for Obama. Hmmm

    Just for the record, my mother ran the entire Lowell Weicker Senate campaign in CT. He is the only Republican that stood up against Nixon during the Watergate hearings and said ‘If he is guilty as hell, he needs to go!’ He definitely was a maverick before John McCain even know what one was. Governor Jodi Rell(R) was the JP for my neices backyard wedding.

    I think you might have my ‘devils advocate’ role confused with some of the left wing socialists that have been coming out of the woodwork.

    I think the people are officially bored..no more comments.

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  20. WHURR says:

    @Glock..

    I love stats dude!

    You said Clinton signed more executive orders than anyone in history, actually Reagan did!

    Reagan signed 12287-12667 Thats 680
    Clinton signed 12834-13197 Thats 663

    Should I start attacking Reagan for signing all of them. I have heard Rush Limbaugh saying that same thing over and over about Clinton. If I had used that same argument about Reagan, people on the right would go ballistic and talk about the events needing them.

    Just to clarify it with you, I voted for Reagan!

    All I know is that when I ened information on executive orders, I run the the government site that lists them.

    http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

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  21. WHURR says:

    And before anyone says anything…

    Thats 380 and 363… I am aware of that.

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  22. WHURR says:

    Back to the topic….

    My kids know that purple/black might be tuberculosis or a bad case of melanoma.

    My kids also identify the round pink skin coloring known as ringworm.

    They really scared of skin-color from eczema too!

    I’m sorry for teaching my kids to avoid certain colors. Its very ‘medical-ist’ of me.

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  23. Bellara says:

    nope
    kids don’t judge
    kids are followers! they act based on what they see, what they hear or what they are taught. they don’t judge till adults (fam or non-fam members) feeds it to their little minds. its a pity :(

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  24. deewhizz says:

    @observer;
    LMAO at repairing the Death star! Totally and his daughter is riding shotgun haha..!

    @homesteader;
    I DID have the ham sandwich and you’re right it was good:)
    I went for the cheese(melted swiss) and added a lil turkey , Dijonnaise, lettuce, tomato, banana peppers and black olives. I don’t eat much so when I eat I EAT LOL

    Yummalicious! :)

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  25. homesteader says:

    deewhizz ;

    Thank you for the response , those extras make it so much Better .

    I hope you were able to Share your meal with some children .

    LOL at the Last comments or so was claimed ???? of the Political Wizards at a Date Ting site .

    whurr ;

    Yellow color in skin means one is smoking way to much . I voted for President Nixon and you still openly show Disrespect for the Former Presidents in online comments / shown thoughout the World .

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  26. homesteader says:

    Bellara ;

    Thank you for the intelligent comment / I agree with your thoughts .

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  27. Wonka says:

    KIM and BALLARA ARE FINE!!!!!

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