Posted by James, April 7th 2009

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I have to agree there is a large number of loving couples within the black community. That aside, we still have a crisis within black relationships. For eons on end, black women and black men have been at each others necks … still are. They experience this when trying to date, marry and even stay together and most of these attempts end in mutual misunderstandings and mutual blame.

In the book What’s Love Got to Do with It?: Understanding and Healing the Rift Between Black Men and Women 77.1% of black mothers tell their daughters negative tales about black men. And those who don’t get the dirt from mommy have on going ‘reality shows’ – their parents’ relationships. And this could be where the urge to strangle or b**ch about every black man that walks by starts.

But what is more surprising is that people feel interracial dating within the black community is what is causing more of this frenemity. Check out what one blogger asked: “When did splintering off to date outside the race, looking for a successful partner anywhere but within black America, and promoting the myth that black men are “players” and black women are “emasculating” become the norm?”

Splintering off? Is that what people call it when one opts for interracial dating? Let’s not even look that far … I have seen the fires members on this blog ignite just because of black-white dating. Makes me wonder if other communities have this love-hate relationship of their sexes.

So when did this frenemity between black men and women actually begin? How are we to explain these heightened levels of tension and conflict between them? What could be the root cause of this turbulence? Is interracial dating (black-white dating in particular) the main cause? Really?

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279 Responses to “Black women. Black men. Best frenemies.”

  1. tatted2death says:

    tsk tsk tsk…..why is all the ignorant crap so dern amusing???….LOL…..sorry, folks….It’s one of my guilty pleasures….you know you enjoy it too….sometimes…LOL.

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  2. Ichibod says:

    Hey, Tats! What’s up?

    I think Ezrhino just wants attention. I’ve read his posts before. While all opinions are welcome, I don’t believe any of his were that insightful.

    ” these small penis , immature little boys to their own hands.”

    Just how old is this guy to talk about a man’s penis and immaturity in the same breath?

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  3. TricciNicci says:

    EZrhino2001,

    OH MY GOOOOOD!!!!! A REAL MAN! I want to scream in celebration! Here’s another feather for some to stick in their hat, did you ever consider that those who are mixed race have a right beyond the basic interpretation of one “race” and another “race” mixing? Is it rediculous for that very couple in Louisiana (wonder why there has been no direct thread speaking of this very NEWSWORTHY topic from James or the other moderator) to even be denied to marry simply based on race? Apparently her now husband is obviously a person of mixed genetics, lol! He is only “black” according to America.

    In other cultures such generations ago of mixed genetics are still called Caucasian. Just ask the Black Irish, Ethiopians, Erittreans, Black Russians and the Spaniards. Oh, I must not forget the Aborigines down under who are direct carriers and descendents of the African Pygmy’s genetic code of the Congo region. Now how original can you get concerning Africans if one’s genetics come directly from the Congo! Still they are racially categorized as White!

    This is what makes me laugh at !ANYONE! who thinks they can put a human under a knife, cut open the skin and call the name of anything else other than HUMAN, LMAO! The same goes for those “purist” who say they’re preserving our what?…According to them they must keep the choke hold on Women of Color lest we run off with whitey, lol! Well too late for my family, we crossed the race barrier generations ago! BY CHOICE!! So I guess that makes me totally removed from purist attacks, lol! My purity strains target Our RIGHT to be HUMAN. I marry, see, do and talk to who I want. I believe the same with body and mind. People’s political agendas create race relativisms. Human hearts want to create a way and means not political diatribes!

    Thanks Bunches EZrhino your encouraging words won’t be forgotten.

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  4. Mr Laurelton Queens says:

    I never addressed the Louisiana case.

    Apparently, an old white judge felt that if he married an interracial couple it would affect their children. So he denied them the right to get married.

    That is kind of interesting he is so concerned about biracial children. He can always donate to “Feed the children” since he is so concerned about minority children. He can always adopt biracial kids since they are so troubled. This guy is a coward trying to hide behind children. Just say you dislike interracial dating. HOWEVER, do your job without using your personal beliefs to violate a couple’s rights.

    Of course this is against the law. It is more bizarre that he actually thought people agreed with him.

    I may be against interracial dating but I don’t believe in discrimination or “denying anybody” the right to love someone of another race.

    It’s only a big deal because the white women is educated and going for her Master’s degree. If she was white trash, I doubt anybody would care.

    If it was a black woman with a white man, you really would never hear the end of it!

    Good day to everyone

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  5. Lisa says:

    What? I love my black brothers and wish to date one but where I live, it seems the majority of the black men are interested in everyone else but his black sister. It does not matter if a woman is black, white, or mexican. Race will not determine is she is a gold digger. I am stepping out of my race to date but it is not because I want to. I want to be happy and have companionship just like other women. I wish black men and women could come together as one people and just stop hating one another. Love you all.

    Lisa

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  6. ezrhino2001 says:

    Let’s address this one at a time, first of all Mr.Strong Black man. My dad was not black and much better looking, so there goes your ego right there and neither was my Mom .Your Dna could not have produced me.My hair is straight and eye green and no skinny legs here either ladies, chances are you so called strong blk men my penis is bigger than yours, so you have no advantage over me.
    You can be mixed with other races not just blk or white so the thinking is narrow minded.
    Next no attention required on my part no picture here, really not that active here,

    Being mixed race , I know you so called real blk men do not like me anyway , and trust me the feelings pretty much mutual there on my part too.Since you guys are on and interracial site obviously you hope some lady of a different race will date you but you have a problem with the sisters being here, you yourselves have proved my points. Actually i date a blk woman and she apperciates a real man for change, who does not ignore her because her skin is darker.Its apparent what I said was true because you too guys reacted to it . The angry blk man does not scare the mixed race man it never has so you can put that B.S away.

    I,am everything you so called strong blk men hate, i am tall , fit , educated , wealthy handsome, Green eyes and natural straight to wavy red hair, hung like a bull and can go all night and my body is hairy the chest and the legs= no naps and the legs ain’t skinny either and light beige , so really you two guys and any white males on here who do not like my confidence can kiss my beige a____ . I make you grab your woman’s arm when I,am near.I,am The ladies pet, the man’s of any race regret. So who said they somebody like them produced me , think a damn another thought because I look exactly like my Dad who was mostly American Indian and German and my mom is German. So go ahead be jealous because the sisters and the ladies of the other races seem to like /love me. You guys can go back to your ear rings, pink clothing , open toe sandals and leg lotions. One question if you 2 guys have and issue with the sisters dating men of another race, why are you here on this interacial dating site looking for women of other races ???? what weak hypocrites !!!! put that in your damn pipe and smoke it. Sister avoid these to down low guys no manhood there !!!

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  7. Mr Laurelton Queens says:

    (Picking up my drink)

    ezrhino2001

    Who calls somebody “Mr Strong Black man”? The only thing you will give a black woman is diabetes because you “sound sweet”.

    You claim you are so wealthy but can’t even write a coherent sentence. Listen trust fund baby. Stay off the court with the big boys. I am sure you get your share of black women who like effeminate men like you.

    I have no problem with mixed race men. We all know you try to be like black men. You even call us “Mr Strong Black man”. I happen to like that title.

    Then you started talking tough to white men. Listen half breed black men will personally put you on your ass “fit or not”. Some white boys will give it to you too.

    Then you are telling women to avoid black men and white men.

    Listen go back to looking in the mirror and fixing your hair. Black women and white women do not want a “metro-sexual” trust fund baby.

    I worked hard for everything I have “half breed”.

    Look for that new post “STICK UP BLOG BOYS”.

    Oh yea tell your black girlfriend if she needs a real man she can always call me. OW!

    http://www.mrlaureltonqueens.blogspot.com/

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  8. Ichibod says:

    Like I said before, I think this Ezrhino guy just wants attention. Who is he talking about, “strong black men”? Did someone say that recently or in some previous posts? Who hates him or hates people like him? This guy is delusional. And there he goes again with the penis talk. Why can’t he just grow up.

    “Being mixed race , I know you so called real blk men do not like me anyway , and trust me the feelings pretty much mutual there on my part too.”

    Wow, where did he get that from? If anyone ever needed to be called a racist on this site, it’s this guy.

    “Gentleman what is your purpose for being on this site, I would think that it was to hopefully find and date a woman of a different race!”

    A person could have “All Ethnicities” on their profile.

    What two guys is he referring to? Are you supposed to be one of them, Mr Queens? Pink clothing, open toe sandals and leg lotions? Where is he getting this stuff from. If I recall, he was the one in a pink turtle neck when his picture was up.

    ” It does not matter if you like it or not but i just told you whats wrong with most black on black relationships . Do not make a good man pay for your past bad relationships or break his savings account to please you.”

    And who’s the weak hypocrite? The above exerpt was from his post on August 9th aimed at black women. I wouldn’t say that is what’s wrong with MOST black relationships, so that claim is unsubstantiated. Also, there is a difference in attacking a black woman and confronting a certain consciousness that just so happens to reside in a woman of the black race. A consciousness that can and does reside in either gender of any race.

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  9. julius26 says:

    Dear lisa i wish you all the best and hope you find a quality man whatever race he may be.

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  10. tatted2death says:

    Hiya, Ich!!!!…LMAO….I caught that too…..the picture WAS up a few weeks ago….wonder what happened…LOL…..oh maybe the red hair dye ran out….LMAO. DAYUM….why are some people so full of it….I guess for my amusement….LOL.

    “Just when you think it’s safe to go back into the water”….lol.

    Peace and Blessings
    tatted2death

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  11. ezrhino2001 says:

    You ich are one of the men i,am talking to . the sweater is red . The only thing I like is pink is on a real woman,

    You were one the guys on here putting down the sisters for being here even though you are on and interracial dating site your self . my comment had nothing to do with ethnicity. It had to do with flat out appearance.
    So are why you are really on here looking for white females and hating on the sisters is because of some sexual short comings ??? you cannot rock the sisters world ???? well the white or Latino females are going to expect more too, so you may want to stick with , the Asians.Everybody is not able are they !! yall can’t live up to that well endowed go all night myth, do not blame me , that your and your parents fault. Mine blessed me well.@tattSo you can defend these weak coming up short/ unable to scratch that itch men apparently the sisters here are intimidating to them, but the rest of us see them for what they really are , little boys who want to but cannot play in a real man’s world.
    @Tatt not all red hair comes from behind a store counter nor from a bottle of dye.
    If another race makes a sister happy , then go for it and you do not owe the black man or any other race a damn thing either ,you are human being do what makes you happy.Ladies you do not have mess with these broke inadequate down low ,wanna bes and lesbians , just go to my profile and see what a real man looks like.

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  12. Mr Laurelton Queens says:

    (Throwing a punch at ezrhino2001)

    I bet I will rock your black girlfriend’s world and you won’t do nothing about it.

    You seem to have a problem with other races of women.

    Well black women is going to mess with us whether you like it or not coward.

    Who says this????????

    “I,am everything you so called strong blk men hate, i am tall , fit , educated , wealthy handsome, Green eyes and natural straight to wavy red hair, hung like a bull and can go all night and my body is hairy the chest and the legs= no naps and the legs ain’t skinny either and light beige , so really you two guys and any white males on here who do not like my confidence can kiss my beige a____”

    I will grab your wealthy ass of your car and take your woman. I don’t give a fuck if you are rich! I never met a tough guy trust fund baby! Your so rich fly out to New York for your ass whipping!

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  13. tatted2death says:

    too much….LMAO!!!!!….keep’em coming, guys….proving me right EVERYDAY.

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  14. Ichibod says:

    Hey, Tats.

    I don’t know what’s going on. A pink shirt with the contrast and hue altered in Photoshop to make it look red (as if a tight-ass turtle neck wasn’t bad enough), plus a search filter change from “male” to “female” so that his posts seem more credible. Transgender maybe? Let’s just leave Pruneface to his own devices. He’ll get a clue one day! Later, Gal!

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  15. travelgirl says:

    I agree and feel that white women are with black men either pursuing or being pursued
    (not for sincere reasons likes he likes her for the person she is) but for the myth of sex with black men and to use him for money (ex: NFL, NBA etc) There are more than enough white men in the world for them

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  16. kano says:

    I’m a young black woman. currently in graduate school, and I consider myself to be both strong, sexy and feminine. I gotta say that I have never had a problem with anyone interracially dating and never will. I have have never been interested in being taken care of because I can handle myself. I am not gonna sweat someone who doesn’t want me and can only see me interms of some ghettotized stereotype. To those men who only run into that sort of women isn’t it time for you to change your local and focus? I don’t know what other Black women are doing but I’m not waiting for one of my “Brothers” to get himself together and realize they need to expand their horizons. There are some Black women out there who got their heads on right and their priorities together, if your not fast enough your gonna lose them.

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  17. Mr Laurelton Queens says:

    Dear Kano

    Please do not do us any favors. All I heard was I am going to graduate school, which you haven’t finished. Then you claim your sexy and feminine, as if to say, black women are not capable of being that.

    It’s all good you feel so highly about yourself. But educated men are the catch not your ass. That goes for all races of men. That is where you and some white women, Asian, Indian and Latin women “fail” in life and end up with numerous cats in your house.

    My blog is the LIGHT FOR BLACK WOMEN. The sooner these black women learn this, the better off they will be.

    I am tired of men on this board not exercising their power. For every man there is a ratio of 5 women to 1 man. So how the hell you are going to dictate your treatment to us.

    Woman get out of the way if you won’t put men first! Just live alone with your cats and stop complaining about men already! I am sick of your ass!

    (Jumping off my soapbox and closing the door)

    TATTOO THAT ON YOUR FOREHEAD!

    Good day

    http://www.mrlaureltonqueens.blogspot.com/

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  18. Donald says:

    I don’t no what wrong with our black woman. I have
    pretty black woman want a other woman. I did not under-
    stand why black man & woman want a woman in man want man. What they dont understand that God make you a man
    to be with a woman not a other man sex.
    When a man black tried to talk to a black woman she
    ignore him in kept on walking down the street. It use
    to be when talk a black woman she give out her phone
    number in come close to him.

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  19. MzBrOwNSuGaR says:

    Comment by RideThisBlackCowboy

    Well,let’s see…I’m NOT disparging ALL black women,but let’s face it,most are fat,fugly and b***hy.
    —–

    Put yor pic up.. let’s see what YOU look like.

    the nic, ” RideThisBlackCowboy”… ain’t that some stuff.

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  20. Happy_Girl says:

    So Mr Laurelton Queens it is better to be in a house; which I paid for, with a hateful controlling cantanerous black man than to spend time with a nice quiet cat????? Thank you, I will keep that in mind.

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  21. Happy_Girl says:

    Here Kitty Kitty.

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  22. Mr Laurelton Queens says:

    Dear Happy

    It depends on what is a hateful and cantankerous black man is to you.

    I use to think women “bring out” that side of the black man.

    Maybe, you are the problem and not him.

    Good day.

    I hate cats!

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  23. MzBrOwNSuGaR says:

    Gotta love it. What a cop out.. always blame the woman. Always blame someone else.

    It’s pathetic. MAN UP!!

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  24. tatted2death says:

    I think you are asking for the IMPOSSIBLE there, MzBrown….LOL.

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  25. Mr Laurelton Queens says:

    I wonder if that was directed at me?

    It must be because you all blame black men for everything.

    You need to WOMAN UP.

    Man, look for that new album.

    WHEN TOMORROW COMES FOR SELLOUT BLACK WOMEN

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  26. MzBrOwNSuGaR says:

    “I wonder if that was directed at me?”

    If the slipper fits Cindefella.

    If not why you worry about it? Just like why you worry bout other ppl’s love life or lack of one?

    Tend to your own business.

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  27. MzBrOwNSuGaR says:

    LOL, yep tatted2death

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  28. Malarki5 says:

    MzBrOwNSuGaR said:

    Gotta love it. What a cop out.. always blame the woman. Always blame someone else.

    It’s pathetic. MAN UP!!

    Menelik replied:

    always trying to shame men in order to control the tone and direction of the debate, aren’t you, Mz?
    Ever stopped to consider that with the reputation African-American women have for being so outragiously unfeminine that maybe YOU all should ‘woman up’?

    Really, it’s pathetic my “strong, independent” Black sisters!

    Menelik Charles
    London England

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  29. MzBrOwNSuGaR says:

    Malarki5 said:

    “always trying to shame men in order to control the tone and direction of the debate, aren’t you, Mz?”

    —-

    ME? I, who very seldom post anything. ALWAYS try to CONTROL the tone and direction of the debates?

    HA!!

    Considering the many, lengthy post of nasty name calling attacks that I have seen from you toward some of the women, I think it is really strange that YOU would even fix yor fingers to put a question like that to me.

    No. I don’t try to shame men at all. Nothing is further from the truth. Any man that knows me can confirm that. Now if a voiced distaste to a shameless remark makes one feel ashamed, did I shame them or did they shame themselves?

    Not once, anywhere have you seen me type ANYTHING against all men in general, because I make it a point not to.

    Now, you on the other hand:

    “Ever stopped to consider that with the reputation African-American women have for being so outragiously unfeminine that maybe YOU all should ‘woman up’?”

    I consider myself to be one of the most feminine women you could meet. I’m a lady, and I’m ALL woman.

    In case you haven’t figured it out by now, I don’t debate with you. You don’t debate you insult and hit below the belt. I have no intention of setting myself up for that. And I won’t stoop to the level of some of the exchanges I have witnessed.

    So no, I’m not in that stereotypical “YOU all” catagory.

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